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What is the Mesorah of the Litvishe Torah Community Regarding Maintaining a Beard and Shaving?
It looks like a self-published sefer it’s advertising, and everything in the article is stuff that RGP has been saying on the CR. Did he just take YWN trolling to a new level and actually pay money?
yep
Are you motivated by t envy or jealousy? Please don’t lose sleep or become distraught, anxious, despondent or have a break down. It isn’t worth it.
Teaching Torah to Klal Yisroel = Trolling????
Did you consider the conspiracy possibility – that no need to actually pay money when YWN is in cahoots? Maybe that’s why the mods let through postings that challenge your core beliefs? The Russians are sponsoring. Chabad bought YWN…the world is coming to an end. We need Moshiach…NOW!
Also coming soon to a book store near you:
“What is the Mesorah of the Litvishe Torah Community Regarding Hoicha Kedusha at Yeshiva’s Mincha?
Neville – why assume that? most of the topics he started were taken from things being discussed, or topics he started to set up posters to give answers that parallel things they objected to when in the Chabad context. I have no idea who this author is, but nobody who is writing sforim is sitting here pretending to be a rebbitzen, and I strongly believe (and have experienced) people who really are talmidei chochomim (if the author is such) could not even fake that level of self importance.
The funniest part to me is that he thought he could convince people he wasn’t a chabadnik.syag – Oh yes, I am also an uber-Chabadnik, just like every other sheitel/hat I proudly wear, I will stand up for the kovod of their Rebbe and their chassidus, except when a Chabadsker speaks against ANY of my gedolim (Rav Shach, Rav Hutner, Rav Aharon Kotler and Reb Moshe Feinstein) – he’d better watch out for the firestorm, as I did go full blast (thanks mods for letting it through) when one of them dared post in a derogatory manner about Rav Shach ztzl.
I find your idea of playing games involving great people to be highly offensive. Of course we know you dont mind offendi g people, it’s all part of your peace spreadi g mission. And using the term thick skinned to paint you as a victim instead of being honest was a creative touch.
What did r hutner hold in regards to shaving
Seems most boys in his yeshiva shave till today“Teaching Torah to Klal Yisroel = Trolling????”
These two concepts are not mutually exclusive. “David learned from everyone”. Get real.
Let’s think this through. Suppose I paid for the advertiz=sing, now I am getting bonus publicity for the sefer…would that be uber-trolling or smart uber-business?
KY (Kiryas Yoel?) – Rav Hutner ztzl did not “encourage” boys (as they force boys in other yeshivos) to shave. Those that had beards he would sometimes fondly comment an expression from Zohar about beards.
Everyone, buy the sefer!! Mention my name and YWN to get a 10% discount!
Eli Y – you have introduced a new concept, “The Torah Troll”! Can we extend it to seforim, like a Trolling Sefer? (I am publishing a sefer as I posted several times: “M’Beten Shaul” (a possuk in Yona). The publisher didn’t like M’Puppik Shaul.
syag – I left out a few names of my Gedolim:
HaGaon Rav Hershel Schachter shlita – I vigorously defended his kovod when someone posted demeaning words about him, qualifying him as a mere mashgiach on kashrus,
Also the great Tzaddik the former Satmer Rebbe Reb Yolish ztzl – I lambasted the poster that mocked him for making puns of Torah words.
These are gedolinm that I posted about and stood up for their kovod when someone dared mess with it.
And there are others.
syag, instead of me saying that I am thick skinned (a painted victim), would you be better pleased to know that I am Teflon coated (non-stick).
Honestly, did I not say many times that I am publishing my sefer? I even had a thread about it! I was searching for a name :MiBeten Shaul” was suggested. Why the shock and surprise? With lots of money and tons of brains, everything is possible. Even in the world of trolls and goblins, I can be a leprechaun.
No, actually not. I think your posting displays you as someone so self absorbed that he canโt really process anyone actually not appreciating his posts. Combined with too much leitzanus for comfort. Since you asked.
Snag Lachochma, in your own words “the funniest part is that he thought he could convince people he wasn’t a Chabadnik”. Putting aside your OCD about chabad (they are everywhere and control the world – every conversation leads to chabad), aside from that, you do imply that there were funny parts, by writing “the funniest part” is mashma that other parts were also funny but not as funny as the funniest. Yet now you complain of “too much litzones for comfort” – did you become uncomfortable? This too must somehow lead to chabad…maybe comfort has the same Gematriah as chabad. ..
RGP
”KY (Kiryas Yoel?) โ Rav Hutner ztzl did not โencourageโ boys (as they force boys in other yeshivos) to shave. Those that had beards he would sometimes fondly comment an expression from Zohar about beards.”
where do you get all the stray from for your stray man arguments?
Do you by it wholesale?
Where did I mention that he encouraged shaving?
I asked his opinion, as if it were assur presumably he would have made that known to his talmidim .BTW the passuk says
Mibeten shiol
From the bowels of hell
An apt name for your seferIt is highly recommended that the writer of a book named as a quote from Tanach be able to read Hebrew.
ืืืื ืฉืืื ืฉืืขืชื is not “Shaul” meaning “borrowed”, but rather it is “sh’ol”, meaning from the “depths”. Ouch. There is no dialect in which the oh or oi sound becomes an oo sound.
Sorry, can’t buy the book.
“a new concept, โThe Torah Trollโ! ”
A person elaborating on Torah for their own personal gratification is hardly new. Does not Lo Lishmah pertain to it?
I am hardly perfect but I do introspect about my motives and how I can meaningfully contribute to dialogue.
Neville, if you read her screen name carefully you will see that she is Rebbetzin Golden. She also challenges us (or herself) to pick a better screen name. Now you tell us. Is this thread trolling?
Neville- RG is obviously a member of chabad. Knowing that this book would be published wouldn’t be shocking, and therefore dragging it in here makes perfect sense. Why assume he authored it tho? Unless you are saying its his style to gather quotes out of context and call yourself an expert. (Haven’t researched the sefer, just trying to clarify your stance)
Neville; Nice logic, however Rav Moshe Weiner wrote the sefer Hadras Ponim Zoken 40 or so years ago. If he actually wrote this new kuntres then your argument falls apart. If he didn’t write it them you may have a point.
I’m sure someone can verify if he wrote it.The conspiracy deepens. Intrigue, mystery, drama, and dark comedy.
Muller report mentions Rabbi Berel Lazar, the Chabad Chief Rabbi (in a footnote) but we all know Chabad was behind it all. After all Lazar controls Putin while Trump is controlled by Shemtov, the Chabad Rabbi in Washington. They both have beards…see the connection! They are trying for world domination while infiltrating the Coffeeroom with Undercover Agent “Rebbitzen G” to recruit support for their agenda.
Neville figured it out. It’s all Chabad. They are everywhere. In 2020 they are placing the Rebbe as a Presidential candidate. Chabad Houses in each state are fully mobilized to conquer America. Rebbitzen G will be Chief of Staff. An Executive Order will be issued that all males must grow beards.
Genius.
Neville,
1. Actually she is RG. “Pick a better screen name” is an addition.
2. I was referring to Chazal’s dictum ืื ืืคืืกื ืืืืื ืคืืกื.ืืืื ืฉืืื = from the boich of shaul.
we should infer the authors name is shaul, and he is an anav, referring to everything in his sefer as from the boich (in english, shot from the hip)
That sefer was called Svoras HaBeten (boich sevoros).
This thread is silly. The Rebbetzin has been trolling for free, why would she suddenly spend money to do so?
“Sponsoring an article on YWN might be relatively cheap.” Especially when YWN might be part of the conspiracy. If that is the case, it doesn’t get cheaper than free. Notice that #1710015: Mod 25 thinks I am cute. And with the wealth of Chabad’s bottomless budget, what’s the big deal of paying for the operations of their Undercover Agent RGP? We saw the articles of misionaries posing as frum couple to influence the unsuspecting yidden:
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/general/1728019/exposed-in-chicago-frum-looking-couple-teaches-christianity.html, here you have a missionary from Chabad posing as a Litvish/Yeshivish regular Rebbitzen, trying to influence the masses to accept the ways of Chabad…She promotes (based on topic s started):
women to learn daf yomi (like all chabad women do),
women staying up on shavuos night (an old chabad custom),
staying up both nights,
saying halel with a brocha on YH,
goyim allowed to eat human flesh,
having 4 daughters in the hagaddah,
women sitting at head of table,
ad dlo yada for women,
using watermelon for karpas..She promotes the agenda of Chabad, by pushing on us all these “well known” chabad minhagim, NOT.
The truth is this whole coffee room is a place used to knock each other , seriously look at most comments on all of the chats and also a lot of lashon hara on gedolim , we must love each other as we are a small nation in a big world that most of it wants our destruction, we must stick together ืืืืฉ ืืื ืืื ืืื as we are in middle of sefirat haomer where this is the reason the ืชืืืืื ืจ ืขืงืืื got killed with the worst death as the Gemara says – why because ืื ื ืืื ืืืื ืื ืืื
ื ืืื ืืืื ืื ืืื means that those that there were “Litvish/Yeshivish” held that their way of Avodas Hashem was the ONLY way and PROPER way and BEST way, and were disparaging to other derochim in Avodas Hashem, including mocking the derech of Sefardim, Yekkas, Chadad, Satmar etc. In reply these groups of Talmidim made fun of the derech of “Litvish?Yeshivish”.
They all meant “l’shem shomayim” – coming from a good place, to “help” their fellow talmidim, after all, their Rebbe taught them that Ahavas Yisroel is a klal godal baTorah, and they REALLY had Ahavas Yisroel. They had good intentions, not merely to mock or put down (as many here do), they did so out of love and caring, yet, they were chayov misa.
Why such a harsh punishment for merely not treating an individual with proper kovod? Because they were knocking not just an individual (a yochid) but an entire derech of avodas Hashem. They were mocking hundreds or thousands of yidden – that deserves misa!
When a person knocks an entire derech of a kehillah which has rabbonim, rosh yeshivos, bnei Torah, even if one was to question how they do x or justification for y (like not sllep in sukkah, or eat cake before davening), it is a HUGE achrayus! Even if done out of love and care – the onesh is misa!
(Misa is manifested in many ways, loss of parnasa – poor is choshiv k`mes, loss of children – physically or spirtually etc)
A Rebbitzen, I think, shouldn’t curse…
Simply warning that they are playing with fire. If they continue and get burned, it’s due to their own folly.
I’m beginning to suspect the “Rebitzen” is suffering from gender identity issues and in reality, is little Joey, posting from the basement nextdoor under a pseudonym from a neighbor’s computer. Using advanced computerized naarative analytics and forensic tools you will quickly identify common metrics of arrogance, distortions of Halacha, Trumpian twitter-style put downs, and of course, messianic aspirations.
The Rabbeinu Bachaye in Parshes Ki Siso explains why c’v a plague comes when the Jews are counted directlly. Together we are all tzadikim. If we count them, we separate the bad from the good.
As the wise Brurya told her husband, R’ Meir about the ืืจืืื ืื :
ืืชืื ืืืืื ืืื ืืืืืื
By the same token:
ืง”ื ืคืจืฉืืืช ืืืจ ืืื, ืืื ืืืจ ‘ืืืืืื’ ืขื ืฉืจืื ืืืคืืชื ืฉื ืจืฉืขืื, ืฉื ืืืจ ืืชืื ืืืืื ืื ืืืจืฅ ืืจืฉืขืื ืขืื ืืื ื ืืจืื ื ืคืฉื ืืช ื ืืืืืื
And those that continue in Machlokes Korach vAdoso against Yiddishe Kehilos Kodesh, on them the possuk says in Mishlei (11:10):
ืืืื ืจืฉืขืื ืจื ื“……Iโm beginning to suspect the โRebitzenโ is suffering from gender identity issues and in reality, is little Joey, posting from the basement nextdoor under a pseudonym โฆ..”
Nope, it ain’t him. Totally different forensics in some areas. Besides, Rebbetzin’s style is hard to imitate.
Don’t worry though, Joe tries on a batch of masks, but the tell-tale fingerprints are there even if he tries to alter style. It’s his game.. hahahaha….โฆ. and Joe does deliberate misspelling, grammatical errors, etc. with some of his Muppets…..
The mods didn’t allow my reply. It wasn’t defensive enough. (Which made it offensive – as in unpleasant or disagreeable vs attack or aggressive ).
“he canโt possibly believe everything he claims to believe”, because you are “kofer” that a person can be “chored lidvar Hashem”, and REALLY seek to fulfill rotzon haBoreh, including the mandate and chiyuv min haTorah of ืงืืฉ ืขืฆืื ืืืืชืจ ืื, to refrain even from things that are technically muttar (aka chumros and seyogim).
You think everyone is like you, living in a self created frummie bubble filled with hot air of self rightouesness. Therefore you get bent out of shape whenever someone points out that you are breaching halacha according to some or even many shitos.
That pinprick bursts your bubble and the only way to restore your complacency in kiyum mitzvos is by making false claims and pointing that there are others that have shortcomings. You falsely claim to be more frum than they.
Your standard of frumkeit is: I am frum “enough” because others are less frum than me, look, they don’t do xyz and I-am-holier-than-they, Anochi, the great me.
You pat yourself on the beichel because you keep a few token chumros.
Meanwhile, justifying the worst aveiros of loshon hara, mitzi shem rah and rechilus (and machlokes and sinas chinom) by saying, “those guys do it on their blogs, so it’s a mitzva of nekama for me to do so” – even if it is a pure sheker, as confirmed. THERE ARE NO SUCH BLOGS!
The game is up. Korech also reached an end for his machlokes.
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