Democrats vs. Republicans

Who is this due by?
how many words does it have to be?

I would have assumed that most voters would have the common sense to wait and see who are the candidates for a particular office at a particular point in time and what policies and positions they advocate. However, that sounds quite old-fashioned in the contemporary polarized world of American politics.

#moishekapoieh, כשמו כן הוא. In your first statement you said you’d vote for the best candidate, and in your second sentence, you said you would vote for the worse candidate if the better candidate is Trump. That’s about as MoisheKapoieh as it gets.

so nice that people here know what party i belong to. maybe you could also tell us when moshiach will arrive.

which do you plan to vote for and why?
Will wait to see who’s running. Biden has been pathetic but cannot vote for Trump, so it’s about context. Yes, personality matters, particularly when someone’s ‘quirks’ resemble a dictator. At his rally yesterday Trump asked his follows to demonstrate if the government ever came after him with something he deems illegal or wrong. As I understand, German Jews were also surprised when their cherished democracy also disappeared. Not to put too fine a point on it, but just saying.

which have you gained more from?
Democrats definition of “gain” includes more than just personal gain. Ensuring a Muslim or even an idol-worshipper can basically practice his religion is a long-term gain for us too, that’s just how American legal system works. Laws don’t change religious views or abortion rates, they only increase and exacerbate opposition. There are more effective ways to influence morality. Yes, it’s a “slippery slope” and some rights I cannot support. But if you vote for a democrat for certain reasons, it doesn’t mean you agree with them on every issue.

Finally, I value long-term stability over “solving” short-lived hot button issues. No one will be making a seudas hodah 100 years from now celebrating the day America recognized Jerusalem.

“Its up to you and whether you believe the principles you were raised on…”

RebPhil: Agreed. Thats why some of us, as a matter of PRINCIPLE, could never vote for such a vile, racist and narcissistic psychopath.

@TSB.
No. מובן מאליו

jackk, it might be a coincidence but all amputations of Ukrainian territory happened under Obama and Biden, and not Trump. Georgia did happen under Bush, but there was some resistance shown there.

It is unprovable but seems plausible that if occupation of Crimea were resisted or lead to real consecutives, then Eastern Ukraine might not have happened.

Unfortunately, half measures (such as light symbolic sanctions) seem not to work here. George Bush played Trump at Budapest NATO summit trying to convince others to have Ukraine and Georgia in NATO until he annoyed them. Maybe there will be a new defensive block consisting of US,UK, Eastern Europe, Ukraine, Georgia, Scandinavians, leaving West Europeans to fight their greatest enemy – global warming. I am sure Estonians can accidently cut through NordStream 2 on their own.

a debate here will be actually interesting if we could use our Jewish norms to argue, rather than repeating partisan messages that have no regard for emes, just aiming to convince someone. It is true for both sides.

for example, the “debt” discussion purposefully conflates spending, often to allies, with reduced taxation. If I take jackk’s money and spend them in a casino and now “we” owe money – is it the same, as if I return money to jackk and now “we” do not have money, but jackk does?

jackk > I find myself at times posting things which I do not really believe in

Patient: Doctor, Doctor, it hurts when I do THAT.
Doctor: Don’t do THAT.

oops, wrong thread.

jackk, I see, but just picture that you are talking to a friend in person and talk accordingly.
R Yohanan told his students to respect Hashem as they do mortal kings – respect to those you can perceive directly is more real. This applies not just to online discussions. Also, people in cars are often less respectful than when walking in front of someone. You often see people cutting others off when driving, but rarely while walking.