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It is sad to see that this stupid argument wasnt put forth by just one democrat senator. Rather,by all, even some YWNCR liberals have used it. Its the attempt to discredit Trumps defense that many democrats have used the term “fight”, and portray it as a childish “whataboutism” defense. Here’s why.
Imagine you have a classroom with 2 bad students. They are both whispering in class. Teacher throws out just Student A. Student A complains, “but what about…” -THAT, is “whataboutism”. Now imagine Student A talks all day, every day, loudly, and teacher does nothing. Student B whispers just once, and is thrown out. Student B complains about student A…THAT, is NOT “whataboutism”. That is a blatant duel standard. That needs to be explained, addressed. Certainly so when we are dealing with elected politicians. Now besides for the fact that, as Trumps defense lawyers showed, Trumps “fight” comments were completely taken out of context, Democrat politicians have used the word “fight” all day, every day, with no problem. In fact, some have straight up called for violence. Many more, have at least supported it in some way or fashion. This impeachment was pathetic and disgusting. Only more disgusting, and scary, is the fact that Democrats calling for, and supporting violence, will not only never be held accountable(in this world), but they will be praised for their work.The impeachment of Trump was a PR campaign for the dems, so ‘logic’ or ‘defences’ are irrelevant and off-topic.
“The impeachment of Trump was a PR campaign for the dems, so ‘logic’ or ‘defences’ are irrelevant and off-topic.“
That could be said about the Democrats, but what about the 7 RINOS
The stupid whataboutism defense put forth by defenders of trump was that trump can never be held accountable for his actions until the BLM rioters are prosecuted.
That is moronic.It is obvious that you and MadeAliyah did not listen to the trial.
Was OJ’s trial also a PR stunt since it was clear that the minority population was never going to convict him ? They came back with a verdict after an hour.The Senate trial did not get the conviction of trump but it did convict 43 republicans of supporting insurrection and allowing every future president free reign after he is a lame duck to overthrow the government. MAGA.
what about the 7 RINOS
They were probably afraid of alienating too many of their voters unless they joined the Democrats’ propaganda campaign.
Examine all fights of Trump from before the election that we must win or it is rigged in context. Even Mitch agreed on Trump’s incited insurrection guilt but pushed away the senate trial after Trump was out and argued that a former president cannot be convicted.
stupidest is the “chilling footage” that’s supposed to “change it from being a legal debate” to [an emotional one].
“The Senate trial did not get the conviction of trump but it did convict 43 republicans of supporting insurrection and allowing every future president free reign after he is a lame duck to overthrow the government. MAGA.“
Jackk,
Did Kamala also want to overthrow the previous administration by force?
@jackk here is a puzzle for you:
Find three huge logical flaws in the following post:
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The stupid whataboutism defense put forth by defenders of trump was that trump can never be held accountable for his actions until the BLM rioters are prosecuted.
That is moronic.It is obvious that you and MadeAliyah did not listen to the trial.
Was OJ’s trial also a PR stunt since it was clear that the minority population was never going to convict him ? They came back with a verdict after an hour.The Senate trial did not get the conviction of trump but it did convict 43 republicans of supporting insurrection and allowing every future president free reign after he is a lame duck to overthrow the government. MAGA.
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Please submit your answer to https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/democrats-stupid-argument to win credibility.
The answers will be posted soon Be’H.Enjoy!
Did Trump ever say, you misunderstood me? I did not mean to fight physically, I meant it figuratively. Stop it. I don’t want you to hurt Pence.
@Reb Eliezer
>Examine all fights of Trump from before the election that we must win or it is rigged in context.<
Okay, now what?> Even Mitch agreed on Trump’s incited insurrection guilt but pushed away the senate trial after Trump was out and argued that a former president cannot be convicted.<
Mitch doesn’t want to take sides so don’t take him seriously.>Did Trump ever say, you misunderstood me? I did not mean to fight physically, I meant it figuratively. Stop it. I don’t want you to hurt Pence.<
To whom? To sane people, it is self understood. To Dems and Rioters, it will never be understood.no. they didn’t misunderstand him. they acted on their own accord. so trump just said “go home. I love you.”
MadeAliya,
So you doubled down without answering . I did not expect that from someone living in Artzenu Hakedosha. Avera DArah Machkim.
“Did Trump ever say, you misunderstood me? I did not mean to fight physically, I meant it figuratively. Stop it. I don’t want you to hurt Pence.“
Did Harris, Biden, Pelosi or any democrat say they don’t mean to fight (or in the case of Biden that he wasn’t really going to take trump out back and beat him up)
@jackk I guess the puzzle is too hard, so here goes:
>The stupid whataboutism defense put forth by defenders of trump was that trump can never be held accountable for his actions until the BLM rioters are prosecuted.
That is moronic.<
Wrong.
When “defenders of trump” use the “what about BLM” defence, they are not asking for prosecution, they are asking for a single-standard.
To Dems that phrase has no meaning.
That is moronic.>It is obvious that you and MadeAliyah did not listen to the trial.
Was OJ’s trial also a PR stunt since it was clear that the minority population was never going to convict him ? They came back with a verdict after an hour.<
Wrong.
I did listen to the trial.
How does OJ’s trial have anything to do with this?>The Senate trial did not get the conviction of trump but it did convict 43 republicans of supporting insurrection <
Wrong.
The Republicans who voted not to convict were not “supporting insurrection”, they did not believe Trump was guilty of inciting it, as the case against him was very weak.>and allowing every future president free reign after he is a lame duck to overthrow the government.<
Wrong again.
A President who tries to “overthrow the government” will be prosecuted. Trump didn’t come close to doing that.>MAGA<
Indeed.Oh Jackk, -“The Senate trial did not get the conviction of trump but it did convict 43 republicans of supporting insurrection and allowing every future president free reign after he is a lame duck to overthrow the government”
The only ones that should be tried for Insurrection is the group that instigated this Stealing of the Election from Trump!
“Whataboutism” and “don’t deflect” is what liberals says anytime you point out their glaring hypocrisy and double standards. Which is something you see on a daily basis because as the saying goes “If not for double standards liberal would not have any”. Which is why they have to come up with a defense which is essence saying “my mind is made up. Don’t confuse me with the facts”
Could there be anything more non judicial than a partisan hack, Patrick Leahy, who had already decided publicly that he would vote for impeachment before the trial, being appointed “judge” for that trial?
THAT is not justice!An insurrection on the Federal Capitol which reflects the central government, wanting to overthtow it, is different than the state cities and the democrats like Bidem condemned the riots but Trump never did. Peiple close to Trump said that they saw him being joyful and happy with it.
” Now imagine Student A talks all day, every day, loudly, and teacher does nothing. Student B whispers just once, and is thrown out. Student B complains about student A…THAT, is NOT “whataboutism”. That is a blatant duel standard. ”
This mashal has no connection to reality.
A better example would be ”
Now imagine Student A talks all day, every day, loudly, and teacher does nothing. Student B tells his classmates day in and day out for months that teacher isnt legitimate and unless they “fight” they will never get the class back. A group of Student B supporters then Go roaming the School looking for Teacher to hang him while smashing windows. Teacher says “Student B, you have got to go” Student B says “Yeah but Student A talks all day and that was ok why the double standard”Could there be anything more non judicial than a partisan hack, Patrick Leahy, who had already decided publicly that he would vote for impeachment
I’d be willing to bet that at least ninety of the Senators went into the process knowing how they would vote and had no intention on changing their vote no matter what evidence or argument was presented.
The Wolf
@Reb Eliezer
>An insurrection on the Federal Capitol which reflects the central government, wanting to overthtow it, is different than the state cities and the democrats<
That right. There were huge differences in deaths, damage, duration and participants, in which “state cities and the democrats” were worse by far.>Bidem condemned the riots but Trump never did<
Fact-check: False.>Peiple close to Trump said that they saw him being joyful and happy with it.<
Can you give us a name or source?>Now imagine Student A talks all day, every day, loudly, and teacher does nothing. Student B tells his classmates day in and day out for months that teacher isnt legitimate and unless they “fight” they will never get the class back. A group of Student B supporters then Go roaming the School looking for Teacher to hang him while smashing windows. Teacher says “Student B, you have got to go” Student B says “Yeah but Student A talks all day and that was ok why the double standard”<
This mashal has no connection to reality.
A better example would be:
Now imagine Student A talks all day, every day, loudly, about how the school is systematically discriminating against them. A group of Student B supporters then go roaming the School smashing windows and destroying desks, chairs, doors, and equipment while looting and killing people, and the Teacher does nothing. Student B tells his classmates day in and day out for months that teacher isnt legitimate and unless they “fight” they will never get the class back. A group of Student B supporters then Go roaming the School looking for Teacher to hang him while smashing windows. Student A says “Teacher, Student B is ruining our school.” Student B says “You are the biggest hypocrite to ever exist on planet earth.”MAdealiyah
Thanks for fixing my mashal!
Yours is much betterWould nayone in their right mind dram Student B should ever be in charge ? Obviosuly not, he led to his followers trying to hang the teacher for crying out loud. Sure Student a isnt great but what does that have to do with the attempt on tteacher’s life.
Excellent Mashal!
Though I thought you liked Trump kudos for having written such a stinging rebukeI’m continually baffled by how someone actively involved on healthcare can be so out of touch with reality.
ubiquitin,
What I am about to write is complete sarcasm in my point of view , but complete truth in the republican view.
Since student B can scream from the roof tops that student A is the biggest hypocrite in the entire universe from Adam Harishon, ergo Student B is completely blameless for what he did. Not only blameless, he is a courageous warrior and admired fighter. He is the saviour of the school and he deserves to be the leader.
syag
“I’m continually baffled by how someone actively involved on healthcare can be so out of touch with reality.”don’t be so baffled, you lost your grip on reality sometime mid Trump’s presidency based on most of your comments over the past year or so , your ability to separate fact from fiction, and fact from opinion has been seriously impaired
Says the poster who can spin on a hamster wheel for weeks getting his kicks out of making someone look foolish. Pardon me if your words don’t hold much weight.
RE -“An insurrection on the Federal Capitol which reflects the central government, wanting to overthtow it, is different than the state cities”
Again you’re Not in touch with Reality!
They attacked Federal Buildings all Last year, but you didn’t hear any objections from DemonCrats.“based on the assumption that student a,(democrats) is completely innocent”
Nope
Student a is terrible
but :
1. He isn’t the one on trial
2. He didn’t lead to an insurrection against the teacher (intended or not)
3. He isn’t the class PresidentSyag
That has nothing to do with your slipping grip on reality. My hamster admittedly bizarre wheel spinning doesn’t make it less true
I was hoping you’d come back a bit after Trump left.
Look at your most recent comment, it is so out of character for you, it has nothing to do with the subject at hand. Just insulting for the sake of insulting .(frankly its something I’d say)
Come back forget your boy Trump he let you down on his way out I get that this is distressing move past it. You’ll find someone better in 2024. Nikki Haley ? (She finally sees the error of following Trump)The fact that you think I’m mourning trump’s loss is about as much proof is needed that you haven’t a clue where i stand. I think your only sensible comment was that the insult was something you would have said. I think that pretty much nails it. I guess a part of me just got sick of that part of you and the increased frequency of it. Some posters have no other side, i guess seeing the shift in you (i assume a side effect to your tds) was disappointing. Thanks for finding the source. I’ll just stop expecting better and move on.
@ubiquitin
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Wooops, this is what happens when you overuse copy-paste.Here is what I ment to post:
A better example would be:
Now imagine Student A talks all day, every day, loudly, about how the school is systematically discriminating against them. A group of Student A supporters then go roaming the School smashing windows and destroying desks, chairs, doors, and equipment while looting and killing people, and the Teacher does nothing. Student B tells his classmates day in and day out for months that teacher isnt legitimate and unless they “fight” they will never get the class back. A group of Student B supporters then Go roaming the School looking for Teacher to hang him while smashing windows. Student A says “Teacher, Student B is ruining our school.” Student B says “You are the biggest hypocrite to ever exist on planet earth.”I can’t belive nobody realised it was a typo.
“The fact that you think I’m mourning trump’s loss is about as much proof is needed that you haven’t a clue where I stand.”
If I got the cause wrong, I’m sorry (though I Wasn’t referring to his loss, I was referring to his subsequent descent into madness) I guess I was looking for a kaf zechus to explain your break with reality over the past months
Perhaps it was wishful thinking, as now that Trump is gone, you’d improve and be in a better placeIf it is something else in your life. I hope you get help with that and work it out.
It gets better
>What I am about to write is complete sarcasm in my point of view , but complete truth in the republican view.
Since student B can scream from the roof tops that student A is the biggest hypocrite in the entire universe from Adam Harishon, ergo Student B is completely blameless for what he did. Not only blameless, he is a courageous warrior and admired fighter. He is the saviour of the school and he deserves to be the leader.<I’m so sorry to have to destroy your ‘I knew Reps were morons!’ moment, but it was a typo.
You’re too intelligent to pretend you read my post wrong. Nice try tho.
Madealiyah
“I can’t belive nobody realised it was a typo.”
don;t worry I got that it was a typo
I had trouble believing that any person would accept Student B’s defense of having instigated a group of students to want to hang the teacher, by accepting ” but student A….”
>don’t worry I got that it was a typo<
Phew. For a moment there I was afraid that you and I would walk off into the sunset telling the tales of the Great Typo That Was(n’t) and The Fighting Students Who Fought.
Thank goodness it came to an END.
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