Democrats cheated, Biden won

GH-I’d readily admit that the audit was likely a completely partison audit. But 2 points on that. A)Democrats, as well as many Republican officials in the counties in question, had many chances to launch their own THOUROUGH, and TRANSPARENT audit. But instead they told us to shut up and sit down.
B)I’ve said this countless times, if they find fraud, they will openly share the evidence, and if they don’t, then they obviously shouldn’t be granted a shred of credibility.
Health, I don’t have time to watch the video, and even if I did, I think its kind of pointless. I need to be able to see how both sides actively respond to specific claims.

Reb E – I myself heard Barr say that he would not say that there was no fraud, just that there was no fraudulent programming in the voting machines. He specifically said that he is not commenting on the ballots. If you are going to quote him, at least stick with what he said.

AP did the same word game you did. I checked out the article with the exact quote – that used your version as the title. “To date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election,”

That’s not the same thing. Not even for pretend.

And i still claim i heard him say himself that he was not claiming there was no election fraud. It was a video. I’ll look for it.

TVOP -“Health, I don’t have time to watch the video, and even if I did, I think its kind of pointless. I need to be able to see how both sides actively respond to specific claims.”

That’s the problem with you and other Repos.
If you watch the video from Lindell, all these Audits don’t have to even Start.
Basically the Video proves beyond a shadow of a doubt, that our Elections by Computer Election Systems are Comprised!
So you Repos have to Stop being on the Defensive and Start being on the Offense!

I posted previously – I blame Trump – he should have declared Martial Law right after the election.
If the Army Intelligence would come out, in a one of a million chance, that Biden won the election, Trump would give over the reigns.
But you see, how the DemonCrats reacted to Jan. 6.
They were very obsessed with that Incident & still are.
Now if you tell me, that they care about people breaking Federal Law, how come they didn’t Prosecute any Leftists all during 2020-2021, when they broke Federal Law all over the Place?!?

The real reason is – they are Dead Scared that the Population will find out that they Stole the 2020 Presidential Election!

RM, if they are meshuga, I don’t have to follow them. Vehoyiso meshuga is not a mitzva.
They all said that, even if there was fraud. the result would have not changed. Biden won by a too big margin to make a difference.

It is pathetic…

Barr says a statement that is bounded by the rules of logic and people here need to point out that he only said he has seen no evidence of widespread fraud. If he said there was no widespread fraud, that would be a logically impossible statement to make as you cannot prove a negative. What he said is the highest assurance you can ever really give about something.

Can you prove there are no unicorns? Or can you only say that you have not seen evidence of unicorns. This is pretty basic.

On the other hand, you all get worked up about people claiming there is fraud, despite lack of evidence. If there was evidence, then Barr’s statement would be wrong. So which is it? Is Barr lying or telling the truth? If he did not see this evidence, then chances are you and no one making these claims has seen this evidence either. Meaning the claims about widescale fraud are logically flawed. To expect Barr to make a similarly logically flawed statement is ridiculous. His words, completely undermine any such claim of widescale fraud because you cannot make that claim without evidence, of which there is none that has held up under any level of scrutiny.

If you jump to conclusions without evidence, you are just a liar. You can say, there might have been fraud or you believe there is fraud, but can’t prove it, but be honest that it is based on your own suspicions and you lack the evidence.

As to the constant claims of evidence of fraud, one after another they have all be shown to not be evidence of fraud. Yet, you come up with one after another. You even rehash disproven ones once your short-term memory forgot the explanation why it is not evidence of fraud. There comes a point where responding to nonsense is pointless. Rather, it should simply be stated, all of you making these claims about widescale fraud are liars. You are acting in a contemptible manner. You would pursue lies that divide people and lead to strife. God hates lies and yet you are engaging in them day in and day out. We are in July and you still are pursuing these lies. How about give it a rest and move on with your lives rather than acting contemptibly by continuing with these lies.

It happens on other threads and with other posters as well but never ceases to amaze me when people are nasty and use name calling, insults and exagerrated claims to let people know they are being devicive.
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emes nisht sheker as your name indicates, I agree whole heartedly and you can’t prove that there was no unicorn because there was as posted.

Health, I would like to stop this stupidity. Biden got 7 million more popular votes, When it comes to electoral college, 306 to 232. If I gave you Arizona (11), Georgia (16), Trump still lost. If adding
Wisconsin (10) makes it even at 269.

A couple of thoughts:
1. The general low intellectual level of Democrats prevents them from recognizing the irony of Trump and his supporters’ reaction to the election of 2020 being the same reaction of Democrats to the 2016 election.
2. While there certainly was fraud and hanky-panky in the election (election fraud is a well established, one might even say traditional, practice of the Democratic Party), Trump’s reaction was wrong and divisive. What he should have done was to emulate the reaction a previous great Republican President. The Presidential election of 1960 was so obviously rigged that late night television comedians made jokes about it. But the losing candidate, Richard M. Nixon, decline to contest the results, even against the urging of his supporters and legal team. His reason was that he felt such action would be excessively divisive and would damage the unity of the nation. He felt that the body politic of the Nation was more important than his vanity. Would that President Trump have followed President (eventually) Nixon.

The difference is big, Michigan, 150,000 (10), PA 80,000 (20) and NV ~ 15,000 but 6 electoral votes.

Should be above, whoever faults, faults with his own faults.

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What’s really sad is that you popped in to the conversation but forgot to read it so you went off on a full page criticism of the wrong topic! That wasn’t the point we were discussing at all.

Health, maybe you live in the world of sheker? The Hungarians say, one sparrow (Lindell who makex good pillows, should leave elections to others) does not summer make.

Reb e again, I would love to know what you make of what has come out of Georgia and Arizona the past few days. Pls don’t just ignore the question again, and repeatedly claim, “no proof…” “Conspiracy theorists…”

Apparently in Georgia the auditors could not find anything because they did not have the “admin” passwords. Guess not having the necessary access to change the data that they are auditing is making their life difficult (fyi, auditors should almost never have access to admin credentials on production systems, it would make the audit less than meaningless as you would have to then audit the auditors to make sure they did not change data). Imagine if the police could legally plant evidence, how easy it would be to lock people up.

Next?

Oh, as to Syag, my statements were very clear, no deception involved. Your intent was clear, to hold those saying no election fraud (or evidence of widescale fraud) to a different standard than those claiming fraud. That is dishonest. All the emojis don’t change that. No evidence of widescale fraud, makes this whole ongoing discussion with people pushing this fraud lie, kind of despicable. How dishonest do you have to be to keep on pushing this?

Let’s see if breaking it down works

Illustration removing trigger-topics

Scientist: i have not found enough bacteria in the food samples to cause death

Listener: the scientist just said that there is no bacteria in the food samples

Me: No, he just said it wasn’t enough to cause death.

Period.

Exactly. But democrats here seem hesitant to admit there was any fraud at all, or any mass attempts at submitting serious numbers of fraudulent votes. And nobody has actually ruled on that. I don’t understand the resistance to admitting this. Pretending the democrats didn’t do everything in their power, legal or not, to keep trump out if office is equally as delusional.

Why would anyone entertain notions of mass fraud without evidence, just because Syag wants Democrats to entertain that possibility? Maybe we should entertain notions that Republicans tried committing mass fraud and just were not caught. No one ruled that out either. You are promoting baseless conspiracy… But of course you don’t say the election was stolen, rather you will just suggest that people entertain conspiracy. You are just being duplicitous.

Health – sorry, I believe I responded to your comments in the past but you tend to just go on a rant about the next thing the moment your point is undermined. I see no point in arguing with you.

So I’m understanding that you switched targets because you realized you made a mistake in your original attack.
Apology accepted.

ENS -“Why would anyone entertain notions of mass fraud without evidence…Health – sorry, I believe I responded to your comments in the past but you tend to just go on a rant about the next thing the moment your point is undermined. I see no point in arguing with you.”

Of course you won’t post to me because you live in some sort of Socialist Utopia!

Why do you keep posting that there is No Evidence?
There’s plenty of Evidence.
Go watch Lindell’s Documentary and you’ll see tons of evidence of Massive Fraud that took place in the 2020 Presidential election.
As a Matter of Fact, you can then come back here & I’m willing to discuss it with you.

emes > people promoting fraud, before the election said that if Trump loses it must be fraud

You may not convince some people, but there are always moderate reasonable people – like me, who can be either convinced or at least pacified not to protest. I try not to pay attention to all protestation because these are like one witness in beis din – what do you do with that unverified information? But there are some things that can be improved or should not have happened.
Surely, all changes made in the name of pandemic raise suspicion. Just making election a multi-day affair is a force multiplier for the activists: in one day, they can approach so many people. in 10 days – 10 times more.

All the polls that were claimed to be “suppression” are now evaluated to be worst in 20-40 years – 4-5% towards Biden and Ds in general. So, claim confirmed, the question is only whether it is mazid or not.

Pfizer delay of vaccine results after election: I ran numbers this way and that and I do not see what was the reason for the delay. The only charitable explanation is that someone strongly preferred to have a sample larger than initially agreed to exclude a chance of data looking not-so-good.

Suppressing NY Post article about Hunter, while at the same time not disclosing (both officially and not) fact of active investigation.

Making fun of Trump for blaming virus on Chinese and now agreeing that this is reasonable.

Not challenging Biden on what exactly is his Federal plan is to distribute vaccine better. (He still keeps it secret while vaccination rates declined).

All together this creates a very bad vibe of unfairness that enables even craziest conspiracy theories. It might be better for moderate Dems to make some conciliatory steps and admit some problems.

Reb E, if you are admitting that the democrats may have stolen even one state, is it so crazy-conspiracy theorist level-to suggest other states have been stolen as well, even if the margins are much bigger? If they figured out how to swing 10,000 votes, they can figure out how to swing 100,000. Reb E, you are avoiding the question. Has the recent revelations changed your view on the election at all? Are you in fact admitting 1 or 2 states may have been stolen?

RE -“Trump saying, he won with a landslide is a stupidity. As we pointed out before, there is always some fraud but not enough to make a difference in this election”

The fact that you’re not even willing to look at the evidence, shows that you Treat the DemonCrat Party like an Avodah Zora.
Stop with your posting that the Election was Honest.
A lot of posters here don’t believe that!
You’re Not going to convince those people that they’re Wrong!
All you’re doing is Convincing yourself and other DemonCrats that your DemonCrat Leadership would never do such a thing!

I can’t convince you to become a Honest Person, but you can open your eyes and watch Lindell’s Documentary & see for Yourself!
If you have any questions on it, I’m willing to try to answer them.
But you DemonCrats have made up your minds Beforehand!