Dunkin Donuts Muffins

similarly, in an oven, food that was previously heated inside of it — anything that is left of it, is no longer food. this can therefore be understood in the same manner

That’s simply not true. Normal use of an oven doesn’t automatically kasher it.

The comparison to gelatin is also totally inapt.

” there’s straight up Halacha that says burnt substances of any food are no longer considered food”

this is what I consider dangerous talk. Yes, maybe a ‘straight up Halacha’ says that, but we have no reason to believe an oven that is warming things gets hot enough to burn substances to that point. And what if they are in together? And what about the 10 times you use the oven while it is not yet burnt (if it burns at all?) When you throw out a known halacha as an aside in a conversation, even though it does not actually apply here, people get sucked in. And you can be misleading a lot of people. It is not being a machmir, it is about not making assumptions about anything that isn’t assumable and calling it a chazaka.

You may have learned them from knowledgeable people but you are applying them Incorrectly and making erroneous assumptions. That is a very dangerous game to play. And to then assume you’re correct and just call everybody else strict is wrong

You’re okay with a Jew every now and then getting a little treif flavor?

Why wouldn’t I be OK with it? Why are you not OK with it? If a serving of a certain vegetable has less than a 10% chance of having an insect in it, we eat it without checking, even though that means every now and then we will eat an insect.

Milhouse: NYC tap water has less than a 10% likelihood of having an insect in a drink. Why then do the hechsherim still insist it be filtered?

Back to bagels…most bagels in the Bronx are kosher from the same OU certified facility in the South Bronx — Just Bagels. If like me you keep crazy hours you see their trucks, which feature the OU, making deliveries late at night and early in the morning.

There’s also a possibility of it being heated at the same time as a non kosher liquid (e.g. soup) which would even be assur b’dieved.

“However, the bigger problem here anyhow is the potential for the (supposedly – we haven’t established this) kosher muffin being in the oven simultaneously with non kosher food. ”

Ok, well, what about if they just give it to you without any oven use.. I’m pretty sure they just get it off the truck and stick it straight onto those shelves.

Is “pretty sure” good enough? Do we really know that they’re actually baked with a reliable hashgacha? Even if some DD locations get muffins from a facility which has a good hashgacha, do we know all do? Even if we can somehow ascertain that a specific DD gets their fully baked muffins from a kosher facility, how do we know that they won’t use a different source if they run out?

we don’t know any of that, we would only know if we “certify” a specific store ourselves, as someone mentioned earlier, by asking them all of these questions. and regarding trusting the answers we receive, well i guess theres no guarantee there

shmagegi
“we don’t know any of that, we would only know if we “certify” a specific store ourselves,”

so do it. dont be lazy. How do you think any store is certified. do you think people ask online foums “anybody know how entemans? operates? I’m pretty sure they don’t use lard anybody hear anything different” don’t ask US what goes on in a store that we can’t possibly know the metzius of (we dont even know where you live !) go to the store and ask
you probably could’ve been enjoying your delicious muffins by now if you really wanted to