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For everyone’s edification- I walked by a DD store last night in Bay Ridge (not kosher) and on the curb in front of the store, I saw a box of Dunkin Donuts Coffee Cake Muffins. The box had a big OU on it.
Can anyone give a reason why these shouldn’t be eaten?
Unhealthy?
I would eat them. If I knew that store was getting from bakery certified OU. Assumedly, different bakeries across country may not be certified.
Why not call the OU and ask what Dunkin Donuts products are under their hashgocha? They may produce packaged muffins with the OU to sell in gracery stores
In today’s world, having a hechscher is more important that actually being kosher.
rd: Yes, we need to figure this one out, bec I really want to be able to buy at all DD’s.
I emailed both DD and OU, to find out which regional bakeries are certified, and how to go about figuring out which stores get from which regional bakeries.
Would you really eat a kosher product that sits unwrapped in a non-kosher kitchen, touched by people who are touching non-kosher items?
The reduced fat blueberry muffins are “wicked” and taste just as good as the regular blueberry.
so they display and sell the muffins in the same store with their non kosher items. which they may touch with the same hands/gloves etc…..i dont know about you , but i wouldnt have them unless they were individually wrapped and sealed at the factory .
syag: I would. They are in trays, not sitting where they can be splashed. And they pick them up with a napkin. I would eat them ?????.
I’d mentioned this in a DD thread that was updated about a week ago. Yes, the product itself is kosher. But the majority of the stores are not, so unless you’re eating it straight out of the carton, you’re likely to be eating something that has been in contact with treifis. Same as with most of the frozen yogurt stores that are popping up all over the place. If you ask to see the packet the yogurt comes in, yes, it will have a hechsher. But how do you know what happens to it, who handles it and how, once it is opened?
But the majority of the stores are not, so unless you’re eating it straight out of the carton, you’re likely to be eating something that has been in contact with treifis.
I’m sorry, but that is ????? ?? ??? ???????
“But the majority of the stores are not, so unless you’re eating it straight out of the carton, you’re likely to be eating something that has been in contact with treifis.”
“Would you really eat a kosher product that sits unwrapped in a non-kosher kitchen, touched by people who are touching non-kosher items?”
When you buy a piece of fruit, how do you know that it has not come into contact with treifis? What if the man who stocks the fruit in the store touched bacon earlier in the day… then what????????
seriously?
Very seriously.
Have you seen a DD? They have donuts in trays on the wall behind the counter. They are getting cases of donuts in the morning, and they load those into the trays, and then grab them with a napkin and put them in your bag.
What possible reason could there be to not eat those? Tell me the story I should be concerned about which would make them assur. As sw33t said, pretend it is an apple–would you not buy an apple from there and eat it?
I couldn’t even pretend that there’s a parallel there
I think that is exactly the point. I think there is a gut reaction against saying that all DD donuts are kosher (well, all ones that get from regional bakeries that are kosher).
It seems so funny to imagine that there is really all this kosher food all over the country that we didn’t know about.
But I think that’s all it is. Because I frankly haven’t the slightest idea why you think I should be worried that the server’s sleeve hit a piece of bacon and then happened to brush my donut in a way that is nosein taam, and that the concern is strong enough that it makes it assur.
i wash and/or peel my fruits and vegetables.
i dont think people wash or peel their muffins or donuts
“Cross-contamination” isn’t such an issue because they have specific rules that if any product gets contaminated by another it must be disposed of.
You’re not having the slightest idea why I should think it, has nothing to do with whether or not I am right or wrong. I do NOT mean this offensively but if I felt my words would be heard instead of dissected I would gladly answer you. Having you decide what my issues are without having heard them, and choosing to verbalize my thoughts as such a ridiculous scenario is very condescending.
Once again, (a recurring theme) – your not knowing does not mean it does not exist.
shnitzy – try observing for an hour and see what you see.
The kashrus organizations are trying to make us forget that halachically we are not worried about half the things we worry about.
Syag: I don’t know what I have done to deserve that response. I think you are not being very nice here. Please go back and read the conversation. You are continually making only 1 line or 1 word responses exclaiming wonder at my position. And then when I try to figure out what you are disagreeing with, you say I am being condescending.
I think you are being condescending.
From your last line, I think I may have a different idea of what your objection is here, but I don’t wish to be condescending and say what I think it is. If you’d like to participate in this discussion, please feel free to do so.
Sl: I have. I observed someone mistakenly sticking an ungloved hand into one of the tray sections. The entire tray was disposed of, although the person didn’t touch a single donut.
Does washing/peeling something make it kosher?
This is not the first time you have belittled my comments (eg. I said you shouldn’t eat open muffins, you said that I think a man wipes bacon grease on them with his sleeve) and then called me ‘not nice’ for asking you to be more respectful. If you are not sure what you wrote to “deserve” that response, re-read it. Being sarcastic and putting me down is not necessary.
Thank you for your permission to participate in this discussion.
shnitzy – I’m glad to hear that. I have seen the guy from the back come out and rearrange all the donuts on all the trays to be in even rows without any gloves. I’d rather eat at your place.
I re read your posts several times. The only thing I can guess (I don’t claim to know, I am guessing), is that you don’t realize that your language is sometimes harsh (as you have heard from others as well) and that may be why you are not understanding were the responses are coming from. I will take that into consideration when I read your posts, and try hard not to respond, as you are so often offended when I do.
sw33t–not funny. it cleans off someones shmutz or bacon grease that they may have on their hands when they touch the item.
How can one be sure that they only use the kosher muffins? Are they contractually proscribed from using muffins from elsewhere?
but does washing off the bacon grease make it no longer treif???? real question.
DY – yes, they are contractually prescribed to follow the ways of the chain but sometimes they run out of things and in a pinch will borrow from a ‘neighbor’ til they can get more.
Even if they receive the muffins or donuts from a kosher bakery, who is to say with certainty that they don’t have another supplier that isn’t kosher?
Ok, so that is a different concern; ie., whether we should be concerned that they will sometimes sell from a different supplier.
I am not concerned for that. DD taste different from other donuts. Consumers would know. They would not do that.
I also assumed that about the donuts, which is why I asked about muffins.
how do u know that a worker didnt switch a muffin 4 a non kosher one?
Why would you think a worker would switch a muffin for a non-kosher one?
Bagels could be a problem because they have treif cheese bagels on the same rack as the kosher bagels.
It may not be as bad as I said on the other thread, the OU lists “Jalapeno Cheddar Raw Dough” as being Parve. I still don’t know if all the bakeries get the fake cheddar of just the Kosher ones.
Truthsharer,
If they ran out, maybe they would.
No, they wouldn’t. They would just put up a “Sorry, no more muffins.”
To do otherwise would be risking their entire business.
Other than the government, you don’t mess with a franchiser. They will destroy you if you cross them.
There is only a very small risk of the franchise finding out if it is done, especially if it is infrequent. Besides that, “business risk” is not a halachicly sufficient barrior to ensure the reliability of the kashrus.
In a similar vein, there is a reason that halacha demands that even if a non-Jew simply DELIVERS meat or wine (that was fully prepared by Jews) it must be double-sealed since we don’t trust a non-Jew and suspect he may have changed the food to non-Kosher simply to spite the Jew. There he has even less incentive to switch it than in this scenario.
Dovnyc,
“business risk” is not a halachicly sufficient barrior to ensure the reliability of the kashrus.
Yes it is. See R’ma Y.D. 114-5
halacha demands that even if a non-Jew simply DELIVERS meat or wine (that was fully prepared by Jews) it must be double-sealed
That din does not apply to baked goods.
My previous comments were not meant from a strictly halachic perspective, I was just pointing out why someone might be more comfortable buying from a store with a hechsher, or buying sealed items.
On a side note, why does your posting style seem so familiar?
ooooh, you’re right!
Syag, you knew that R’ma?
I wish I was so knowledgeable. I meant your last line (or did you know that and you’re just teasing me?)
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