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Say Tehilim 13, 121. 83, 79 and 80 for EY followed by Achenu.
Please read carefully and join according to your view – this kol is a mixed message, both asking Hashem to protect Yidden in EY and also asking him to exempt the community from taking part in that defense.
AAQ: We Jews don’t decide “according to your view” (our view); we do as the Gedolei HaDor (such as in this Kol Korah) and our Rabbonim shlit”a instruct us.
as you perfectly know, there are Talmidei Chachamim with different opinions on the subject. So, you either happened to be born in a shul with a certain opinion or you chose to follow a certain gadol.
I have no problem with different shitos, and I was just highlighting that the kol koreh was not described clearly in the article, when saying ” have issued a call for Klal Yisroel in the Diaspora to unite with our brethren in Eretz Yisroel” . Some people may think that this is in support of whole brethren in EY, while in fact it is in support of brethren who refuse to go to Tzahal. So, I just wanted to make sure readers understand the context and join or not accordingly.
I don’t think you would like people to join a kol koreh without understand what it stands for, do you?
AAQ: There are no Gedolim, not one, who disagrees that the Bnei Torah in Eretz Yisroel are under attack today by the Israeli political class, mass media, secular pundits and others trying to force them out of the Bais Medrash and into a secularizing immoral army that is designed and created to be a “melting pot” to turn their enlisted soldiers into members of the secular anti-Torah Israeli culture.
I know of your no true scotsman gedolim. I am not arguing about their positions, HV. I am just pointing out what the day of tefilah is about, as the post & article were not clear. I thought I am doing a service for the organizers. I don’t think you would want people disagreeing with you joining in this tehilim event. After all, Hashem may decide to listen to their voice rather than yours and this will mess up the whole event.
on the substance of your argument: > trying to force them out of the Bais Medrash and into a secularizing immoral army
This was discussed already – if younwant to protect learners, you should double down on
(1) sending those in the community who are not in yeshiva to the Army
(2) introducing a transparent verification system about who is actually learning
(3) working with other religious Jews on strengthening religious units in the Armyyou can easily learn this from mussar that tells you to verify that your positions are not caused by your interests. One example, Alter from Slobodka decided not to visit certain dignitary visiting town. To make sure, he is doing it for the right reasons and not out of convenience, he walked to the hotel, stopped there, reviewed his decision, and walked back home. If Alter was not sure about his own motivations, others could try that also.
AAQ: We want to protect everyone, learners AND non-learners, from enlisting in the secularizing immoral army. Hence, no enlistment regardless of learning status.
> trying to force them out of the Bais Medrash
> We want to protect everyone, learners AND non-learnersa stira, or a silly attempt at gnivas daas. But if you are such a tzaddik why not protect everyone in EY and call to disband tzahal?
I am not sure I understand motivation of people who try to fool someone else in an anonymous debate. You are not getting any benefits in this world ..
If you think you get some brownie points in olam haboh for lying, something is wrong with your hashkofah. Hashem’s signing cert is “emes”.
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