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Question – for those people who believe gedolei torah should be consulted on all questions, even non-Torah ones, or who else believe that basically every question is a Torah question – in an ideal world, would non-Jews also ask the gedolim questions too? I was thinking about this after the recent ticketing near BMG. In an ideal world, would the LPD have consulted with the roshei yeshiva to ask them how to proceed? Or should they have asked them whether there parking in those areas should be altogether ok? On one hand maybe it’s a sakanah, on the other, perhaps outlawing parking causes more bitul torah?
The goyim are obligated in the Sheva Mitzvos. The Sheva Mitzvos have complexities. And who are the best experts on the Sheva Mitzvos? The goyim are also required to treat Yidden in accordance with Torah law.
Joseph is drinking his coolaid again.
Daas Torah isn’t one of the seven Mitzvos. But Daas Torah are the biggest experts in interpreting the 7 Mitzvos and how they apply to any particular situation.
Interactions between gentiles and Jews are governed by Halacha rather than the Sheva Mitzvos.
What is the Halacha if someone is late for Minyan and needs to park in front of a Hydrant in order to make the Minyan? Is he Chayiv a ticket or is he Patur because he is doing a Mitzvah
ZD: I thought that going against the law and/or putting others lives in danger (by blocking emergency responders, including medics and firefighters, access to a building in G-d forbid an emergency) would negate any attempt at performing a mitzvah.
Doesn’t this mitzvah committed in sin negate performing a real mitzvah?
What if it’s one’s ego to be a minyan hero to your peers, but to Hashem making it to minyan wasn’t noble when it came at such an expense?
Josef just seems to be stating, quite rightly, that goyim should ask those who know the most about the dinnim which are shayich to them, such as the 7/11 mitzvos and how to deal with yiddin (which is talui on full dinei Torah, and thus very unlikely for them to know on their own. Stop trying to put controversial statements in Josef’s mouth, he does it well enough by himself (and sometimes gets people to actually think about things instead of going with their knee-jerk reaction…).
In regards to parking tickets, which are by definition for illegal parking, why don’t we first talk about if there is a din of gezel to park illegally in the first place? After all, the street is land that belongs to the municipality (or state ect.), and they don’t let you park illegally. The police officer is not doing anything, he is just the chosen enforcer, and even if he was doing it of his own will, without any reason to do so whatsoever, would it be bittul Torah? After all, you can just pay the ticket and keep on learning. (I don’t nessecerally lean this way, I’m just trying to get this thread back on track (please, don’t have more reactionary, knee-jerk responses…)
Josef just seems to be stating, quite rightly, that goyim should ask those who know the most about the dinnim which are shayich to them, such as the 7/11 mitzvos and how to deal with yiddin (which is talui on full dinei Torah, and thus very unlikely for them to know on their own. The, daas Torah happens to be the best place for them to get a clea, accurate Psak. Stop trying to put controversial statements in Josef’s mouth, he does it well enough by himself (and sometimes gets people to actually think about things instead of going with their knee-jerk reaction…).
In regards to parking tickets, which are by definition for illegal parking, why don’t we first talk about if there is a din of gezel to park illegally in the first place? After all, the street is land that belongs to the municipality (or state ect.), and they don’t let you park illegally. The police officer is not doing anything, he is just the chosen enforcer, and even if he was doing it of his own will, without any reason to do so whatsoever, would it be bittul Torah? After all, you can just pay the ticket and keep on learning. (I don’t nessecerally lean this way, I’m just trying to get this thread back on track (please, don’t have more reactionary, knee-jerk responses…)
(Mods, some just got cut out the first time… thanks)
for those people who believe gedolei torah should be consulted on all questions, even non-Torah ones, or who else believe that basically every question is a Torah question
Nobody believes this.
The Wolf
The Wolf is right, if you are asking your Rabbi what type of food you should have for dinner tonight, you have a problem.
Does anyone here on YWN frequently encounter goyim at work, school or in social settings who come up to you an say they live their lives in accodance with the Shevah Mitvos B’nai Noach an have a question as to how mitvah A or B might apply and whether they should consult a Rav or Posek?? I’m sure there are some but not in my experience.
friend of mine told me something that blew me away. He knows of a very choshuve posek that has a group of goyim that speak to him regarding their shailos regarding the 7 mitzvos.
I have met goyim who keep the motzvos before and 100 percent believe in the Torah.
They say converting and being Jewish is really hard, and they prefer to serve God in the way he made them to.The second perek of Yeshaya seems relevant:
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The thing that he saw
Yeshaya son of Amotz
On Yehuda and Yerushalayim
And it will be
In the end of the days
Set straight will be
The mountain-house of Hashem
In the head of the mountains
And raised higher than hills
And they will river-flow to him
All the nations
And they will go
Many peoples
And they will say
Go
And let us go up to the mountain of Hashem
To the house of the God of Yaakov
And he will direct us of his roads
And we will go in his paths
For from Tziyon goes out Torah and the word of Hashem from Yerushalayim
And he will judge between the nations
And give clarity to many peoples
And they will cut up their swords into plows
And their spears into pruning-hooks
Nation will not raise up sword to nation
And no longer will they learn war
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