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Joseph probably thinks cultural sensitivity is for goyim. CTLAWYER would probably say choosing a culturally sensitive costume is basic human decency. Gadolhadorah probably thinks wearing an offensive costume should be a punishable crime.
IMHO, I don’t think adults should be wearing costumes at all. Children can choose any costume they wish.
iac, why do you object to adult men wearing a costume on Purim?
Will you be offended if I dress up as RebYidd23? (I would wear a t-shirt saying what my costume is)
RY23, of course. Don’t be so politically correct.
I think it depends on whether they are actually offensive, like blackface, or dumb things that fairy snowflakes think are offensive.
Why is blackface offensive? It’s whiteface offensive too? Is dressing Chasidish offensive?
Google says it isn’t offensive. Thank you for the suggestion.
RY23, then you apparently haven’t used Google much. Google often gives the answer itself above the search results.
Dressing Chasidish is not offensive.
The costume isn’t offensive. The sign is. (although I wish it were true… if only I had that kind of money)
I have twice submitted comments because Rebbyidd23 tagged me in the original post.
Neither of my comments has posted. Thank you moderators for allowing my ‘probable’ opinion to be posted and my actual opinion to be deleted.My costume is ready! I think it looks cool!
I think it would look good on a human being as well. Maybe I can get some people I know to wear matching to me.
Where is the typewriter?
Obviously I had to put the typewriter down in order to put on the T-shirt.
It broke 🙁
I got my Joseph Costume
Would it be culturally; Insensitive to dress up like a n old man if im a young man or like a litvishe yid if im chasdidish etc?
ZD, Joseph wouldn’t wear the earring.
Rebyid
At what point is the line drawn between offensive and snowflake.
For example
When I was growing up , we called people oriental. Now you can only use asian. I looked it up a few years ago in the dictionary, and the dictionary had a large entry bemoaning the end of the term (which simply means eastern , the opposite of occidental which means westerners). The dictionary pointed out there is no negative connotations. Yet the word is dead?
In this age of PC there is a concept of “cultural approbation “ if a white celebrity styles their hair into dreadlocks they are somehow racist.
So where is the line drawn? Does a mentsch have to always risk every persons feelings no matter how sensitive?The Dictionary doesnt always account for Slang or intent
did you see the article in the times 3 days ago that dealt with the shayla of whether or not dressing up as black panther is considered cultural appropriation or blackface?
one psak was “it’s not quite the same as blackface”
oh, the dilemmas we face in this modern worldJoseph: you wanted to know why I thought adults shouldn’t dress up. please see the RAMAH (695:2)
http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=49628&st=&pgnum=320
Only if they are really over the top. Otherwise it just looks like a bad attempt.
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BUMP!!!!Would you wear blackface in crown heights?
There are 613 shades of grey when it comes to the exercise of common sense in relation to how a Yid should act and relate to others, both other yiddin and goyim. In performing every mitzvah there are opportunities to perform that mitzvah in a quiet and respectful way that is mehader mitzvah and in some cases make a real kiddush hashem (not to devalue the term). However, it seems that a small minority here feel that acting in ways that insult, devalue or demean certain segments of society, in some cases just to troll the “snowflakes” is itself a mitzvah of sorts since the groups they upset in many cases are “leftists”, “kofrim”, “self-hating jews”, “anti-semites”, “Toevahniks” (to coin a term) or various derogatory terms for certain ethnic groups. Some costumes may be funny but still not cross the line. Common sense should be enough but clearly some relish in crossing the line to upset or impose hurt and pain on others. All they do is dig their hole deeper v’hamayvin yavin.
“Gadolhadorah probably thinks wearing an offensive costume should be a punishable crime”.
Absolutely correct. Anyone dressing in a costume such as the Joseph costume depicted in Zahavasdad’s posting which makes him appear like a normal troll that you would be proud if your daughter brought home as a shidduch should be severely punished for imposing such shame and humiliation on all trolls. While the judge should have some discretion in sentencing, a minimum term of 6 months working as a social media intern in Nancy Pelosi’s office would be appropriate starting point.
Mentsch, in Israel “Oriental” (מזרחי) refers to Jews from the Eidot haMizrach. What are pejoratives differ according to time and place. At one time “Jew” (as well as “Yid”) was a pejorative whereas the polite words were “Hebrew” and “Israelite”. When Khrushchev became Commissar for Soviet-occupied Poland he was shocked to hear local Jewish Communists refer to themselves as Żydzi as this is extremely offensive in Russian.
Avi K brings up a good point which is problematic across all racial groups but especially in recent years for the Black community. Many black rap and hip hop artists and songwriters claim its perfectly OK for THEM to use offensive racial slurs (aka “N word” etc) but its entirely racist for Whites and others to use the same term. Its a slippery slope when yidden claim its OK for us to engage in our own forms of borderline humor “within the family” but scream “antisemitism” when similar terminology or visuals are appropriated by those we know have hateful intent.
A few years ago my family dressed up as “Di Gantza Chad Gadya”. One child was a goat, one was a cow, one was a Shochet, one was a fire. My costume was “the father”, with a bag of Zuzim on my belt. I wore what I thought would depict a biblical-era typical father, available online as “Shepherd”. Just a long robe and a simple head covering held on by rope headband. I like cheap and simple costumes that don’t embarrass me, and can easily be put on and off for entering shul, eating the seudah etc…
I was really surprised while driving through a non-Jewish neighborhood (possibly Bensonhurst?) when some non-Jewish children pointed at me and called out loud to their parent – Look! Its JE*US!
We still get a laugh at that whenever we remember it. I am laughing now.
I haven’t seen THAT costume in the stores yet… I wonder why? Wasn’t he a famous Jew?
So what is wrong with black face?
Isn’t imitation the sincerest form of flattery?Yitzyk, for that matter, in Mea Shearim they sold Xmas decorations as sukka decorations. The residents thought hat Santa was a rav as he had a big white beard.
Klugeryd: Absolutly correct. Throughout history yidden have kvelled when the local media and anti-semitiim published cartoons and posters depicting yidden with very long noses, dark unkempt clothing filling their pockets with coins or performing various horrific acts with local children which cannot be published here. We were flattered by the “imitations”. Please work on your trolling skillls before your next stupid post.
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