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How is it justified that millions of dollars are literally being flushed down the toilet when so many yidden have so many tzaros ?
Both the mind and the body need a rest, they need fresh air and sunshine and relaxation.
Errr? Your toilet in the country flushes? Mine doesn’t…
Same justification as when you go on vacation. And more justification than when you buy a car more expensive than the lowest cost car that would do the job. Or when you buy a fancier dining room table or bedroom set than something simple and cheap.
Kids need to play outdoors.
It’s part of raising kids. I think it’s a justified chinuch expense. It’s also cheaper than drug rehab.
How did I justify putting salad dressing on the salad I had for lunch? I could have eaten it without it. How did I justify adding mayonnaise to my tuna fish? It’s perfectly edible without it too.
The Wolf
Popa, it’s probably stuffed with money.
How dare you be alive when so many people in this world are not?
Yes, in my case, millions of dollars are very literally NOT flushed down the toilet, PBA.
There’s a reason my family’s plumber drives a Lamborghini.
I suppose the OP would also object to the $5 a day that I spend on the subway. What right to I have to squander that money when I am perfectly capable of walking to work? Granted, it’s about four hours each way, but why should my luxury and time-saving take precedence over the tzaros of so many other yidden?
The Wolf
lopman23 – I take it that you do not live in Brooklyn. It is not a luxury item for kids to be able to run around freely for a portion of the year.
I’m sure you know that tuition boards in Brooklyn do not have an issue with money spent on the country, at the expense of tuition, as it is clearly not a luxury but a necessity.
If you have an issue with summer expenses, it should be with summer camps…
No one can point a finger at me. I go up for a few shabbosim to my in law’s bungalow so that I can empathize with the other yidden who have tzoros:)
Wolf, bad example, because you presumably earn more than $5 during those eight hours.
I do agree with you in priciple though, aside from the way I defended the practice.
Dafbiyun, my daughter and son in law come to us for a few weekends; I hope he doesn’t feel the way you do.
Wait, do you think…
Wolf, bad example, because you presumably earn more than $5 during those eight hours.
I’m a salaried employee. I don’t get paid by the hour.
So, the objection still stands.
The Wolf
No one can point a finger at me. I go up for a few shabbosim to my in law’s bungalow
The OP can. Do you spend money on gas to go up? Or on a train or bus ticket? If so, the OP’s complaint to you is just as valid. The only difference in your case is the degree of spending — but the fact remains that the OP would probably tell you to give the money you would otherwise spend on gas/bus/train etc. to those who “have so many tzaros ?”
The Wolf
Wolf – frankly I find your comments, tone and attitude offensive. And I find it surprising that they came from you at all.
Wolf – frankly I find your comments, tone and attitude offensive. And I find it surprising that they came from you at all.
I certainly don’t mean it to be.
I apologize for offending you.
Can you elaborate as to how my comments were offensive? I’d like to avoid being offensive in the future.
The Wolf
DY -I neglected to mention that each Shabbos we go up one my kids also come with their kids. So, my wife spends 2 days in Pomegranate and 2 days cooking for everybody .Just unpacking the food is a 3 hr. production. Don’t worry though,three out of four generations have a blast!
I would never take the subway to work. Work is for modernishe shkotzim.
As an aside, OP, why did it take you 3.5 years to finally post something? 🙂
The Wolf
WHOA! lop, wolf and SL, please chill. The country is a fun place for some people to go to , and a fun place for others to talk about. I ,for one, was totally kidding around( though whatever I said was true) Please don’t get all hotheaded about a trivial matter. Specially today, erev Shabbos parshas chukas, which the Mogen Avraham brings down as a fast day. Everybody enjoy their Shabbos in the beautiful country or in their nice air conditioned homes in the city!
where have u been syag??
WHOA! lop, wolf and SL, please chill.
No need to convince me. I have no problem with discretionary spending… even on things that I (or others) would consider frivolous. I’m just taking the OP’s argument to its logical conclusion.
The Wolf
I’m a salaried employee. I don’t get paid by the hour.
So, the objection still stands.
The Wolf
I would think you could find a way to moonlight and make $5 in those 8 hours (minus the time it takes on the train).
So my objection still stands. 🙂
Work is for modernishe shkotzim.
Finally, someone with the guts to say the truth.
I would think you could find a way to moonlight and make $5 in those 8 hours (minus the time it takes on the train).
So my objection still stands. 🙂
With all due respect, I don’t think so.
The OP was complaining about the frivilous spending of money. He didn’t argue that one is required to go out and find extra work because people have tzaros, but rather that we shouldn’t spend so much on discretionary items. I don’t believe (and, OP, if I’m wrong, let me know) that he would require me to seek out extra work for this purpose.
The Wolf
I guess then that PBA goes to the country to relax from staying home. I hear.
Wolf, you are likely exaggerating the OP’s opinion.
Wolf, you are likely exaggerating the OP’s opinion.
Again, I don’t think so. I’m just taking it to its logical conclusion.
He maintains that it is wrong to spend money on going to the country when there are others that can use it.
Granted, he didn’t think as far down as taking the train or salad dressing, but the question there is really just as valid. Why would “wasting” $5 be okay but $2000 not?
Granted, wasting more money is worse, but that doesn’t mean that “wasting” a small amount on unnecessary bus fare or salad dressing is warranted.
The Wolf
How is it justified that millions of dollars are literally being flushed down the toilet when so many yidden have so many tzaros ?
How about the millions of dollars spent on Lavish weddings when so many yidden have so many tzros.
Wolf, why isn’t it logical to differentiate between minor extras and major extras? Again, I’ll take the liberty of making an assumption, but I would guess that you do the same with your discretionary spending. You may add mayonnaise to your tuna, but I doubt you dine in Le Marais daily.
I don’t find moving all my pekelach to a bungalow and DOING THE SAME STUFF THAT I HAVE TO DO AT HOME (but without my husband’s help and without my familiar surroundings) to be my idea of any type of vacation. For those who actually enjoy doing that – kol hakavod lachem.
I find it very interesting that many of these types of threads are started by first-time members who have accounts for 4-5 years!
And did anyone notice how s/he has not bothered to respond but allowed others to take the conversation seriously (maybe a bit much?)?
SiDi™
Wolf and SiDi, someone may have opened an account to post comments on the news, and years later posted on the CR.
DY, this is not the first time I saw this. Also, if I was new to a forum, I wouldn’t start in such a manner. And even if I did, I wouldn’t start it and then run off but stay active and debate my side.
This was defiantly a troll and it worked.
SiDi™
I think everyone should mind there own business and MOST IMPORTANT “FARGIN” everyone their vacation.
Wolf, why isn’t it logical to differentiate between minor extras and major extras? Again, I’ll take the liberty of making an assumption, but I would guess that you do the same with your discretionary spending. You may add mayonnaise to your tuna, but I doubt you dine in Le Marais daily.
On the contrary, it’s NOT logical to make the distinction. The OP’s position seems to be that it’s wrong to spend money on unnecessary things when it could be applied to other, more beneficial things (i.e. people in tzaros). If so, then *any* discretionary spending is wrong and the only difference between his example and mine is a matter of degree — but the fact remains that they are both wrong. One may be wrong to a larger degree than the other, but they’re both wrong (based on the OP’s premise).
The Wolf
SiDi, if I were a troll, I’d want to get down and dirty and keep on trolling. In fact, you can take out the word “if”. 🙂
Wolf, the OP didn’t say what you are claiming he did. He did not say that *any* unnecessary expenditure is wrong. He specifically referred to going to the country.
You extended it to other, lesser expenses, and then attacked your own straw man.
It’s possible the OP would extend it to lesser expenses, but they’re not the same, as I illustrated in my example.
The OP did say that he/she expects the money to go to others. Not all tzar is are dealt with by throwing money at it.
There are many wealthy people who live nicely but they give huge sums to tzedakah. Amounts that I would assume many of the posters who make these comments cannot fathom. But they reach far into 7 & 8 digits. Annually.
They rely on heterim to distribute more than a chomesh.
There are also those who probably can give more, but most of these posters ignore or cannot fathom that there are huge baalei tzedakah who do so quietly.
So the question is if there are people who are having tzar is should we afflict ourselves also just to feel for them.
Similar to what we see in maseches taanis.
I agree with SIDI this is classic troll.
I think shopping at Pomegranate is a luxury. If I were on the tuition committee I’d wonder how someone can ask for a reduction and yet do the following: Pomegranate; summer Catskills; Pesach hotel; Chalamoed entertainment; summer camp; seminary in Israel; leased car; Borsalino hats; smart phones; cable; eating out; ordering in; to name a few. Hardly necessities and we didn’t have them years ago.
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