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This is for Mamele and Mod-42 amongs others.
Mishna Berura Siman 560 S”K 12 and Sha’ar HaTziyun os 23 say that the prohibition is only at a meal that contains only wine as that is Chukos Ha’Akum, and also only if one does this regularly. If at a regular meal and only done sometimes it is ok.
I know this topic wasn’t addressed to me, but does this mean I can no longer sit down in my burgundy robe, with tobacco pipe in hand, in front of the hearth on a brisk winter afternoon and sip on a glass of fine White Zinfandel while listening to my Tchaikovsky record?
(siman 126:3 in kitzur sh”a)
Rabbi Avrohom Blumenkranz a”h taught that listening to music during a meal is assur, except for a seudas mitzva.
It is one of the things implemented zecher l’churban, along with a kalla not wearing jewelry during the chuppa.
There are 4 short se’ifim for more customs held in memory of the churban.
There’s more info in the shulchan aruch.
Chavrusa: The Minhag Haolam seems to be L’hakel and there are a lot of reasons and Shittos to rely upon to be Meikel.
Thanks for the correction. And for the record, my family persevered and music was in motzei tisha baav…
Thank you Sam2. I’ll stay classy then.
Curiosity: Whoa, don’t use me to be Meikil. There are many M’kilim, but all of them, L’fi Aniyus Da’ati, have Pirchos (both in their S’varos and how they are brought down L’ma’aseh). I straight-up hold that music is Assur all year, though I do hear a blanket Heter for songs based on Pessukim that talk about HKBH (or for songs that are a singer’s own Shevach LaHKBH).
Sam: You don’t listen to music all year?
Virtually all ‘high-end’ chassidim do not listen to music the entire year.
(I’m not on that level.)
Sam2: I really respect you for your Torah and Halachos knowledge. Also for always there to answer a “Shaila” or defend Halacha. AND for not listening to music!!! (I saw you mention it in another thread as well) I am very impressed!! Proud to be your ‘brother’! May you keep going higher!!
SiDi™
Sam2. I’m not using you to matir music. Just to matir the wine+music combo. I know of gedolim who enjoyed classical music, and that’s plenty heter for me.
Choppy: I believe I’ve said that before. (Well, not all year. I hold it’s Muttar on Chol Hamoed.)
SiDi and TCG: There is no Ma’ale or level here. I hold it’s Assur. Therefore I can’t do it. If I held it was Muttar then I would listen to music. And if I held it was Assur but that I “wasn’t on the level” then I wouldn’t be a Halachah-observant Jew.
(Before anyone thinks I’m better than I really am, because I’m really not, I have on occasion listened to music after I came to this Maskana. The Beis Yosef says that music is Muttar if it’s to relieve depression. I don’t know how serious of a depression he is referring to, but there are times when I would listen to a select few songs when I am feeling down. However, this reason is not brought down in the Shulchan Aruch or mentioned in many of the Nosei Keilim. Thus, it is something to rely on but probably not a Heter to be used Lechatchilah. There were a few times where I felt it necessary to rely on this. (Also, the Abarbanel on Tishah B’av during the Expulsion is a tremendous Ma’aseh Rav to rely on this reason.) Similarly, the Beis Yosef mentions that L’zarez Bimlacha is a reason to be Meikil, but it’s also not brought down in most of the Halachah Sefarim. However, when I am driving for an extended time I rely on this even L’chatchilah because if I space out while driving that’s already bordering on Pikuach Nefesh.
The Mechaber does bring down that people were already Noheg to sing Shiros V’sishbachos LaHKBH. However, I cannot honestly say that when I am listening to music that I am doing it to be M’shabeach HKBH and not because I enjoy the music, so I try to avoid that as much as possible (but it is the reason why I don’t have to leave the room when a friend/relative is listening to music). That is a very strong basis to rely upon. It is also part of the reason I’m willing to be Meikil on those rare occasions when I am feeling very sad. I do not need this reason, however, for the driving part because, as I said above, it is very unsafe to lose attention while driving and having background music really does help me focus.)
So, basically, other than Chol Hamoed Pesach and Sukkos (where there really isn’t much time to relax and listen to music anyway) I listen to music about 2 or 3 times a year.
Sam: Perhaps you’re not much of a music person to bein with, so you found a relatively easy chumra.
Ohr Chodesh: What part of There is no Ma’ale or level here. I hold it’s Assur. Therefore I can’t do it. If I held it was Muttar then I would listen to music. And if I held it was Assur but that I “wasn’t on the level” then I wouldn’t be a Halachah-observant Jew. did you not understand? I don’t hold this as a Chumra. I hold it’s Ikar Hadin. And no, holding this Halachah has been one of the hardest things I’ve ever done in my life.
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