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“Are you a DemonCrat?!?”
I’m not sure what that is.
I love how you replied to my citing you actual law with Wikipedia.
At any rate, thanks for trying, however
a. IT doesn’t really make sense that in order to be a U.S. Citizen in this case the child’s mother has to be at least 19 so that she spent 5 years after age 14 living in the U.S. IF she lived the entirety of her life after 14 in the U.S. why would that matter? Imagine a young married American chasidish girl in ISrael she is 18.5 lived her life in the U.S. It is hard to imagine that the law would preclude her child from being naturalized at birth. however you certainly could argue the point.
However:
“This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date;”
So Obama is still qualified.
BTW
I can thelp but notice you still haven’t answered my questions:
Out of curiosity do you believe the Holocaust was a hoax, or that Jews were responsible for 9/11? believe it or not there are dozens of youtube videos “proving” both.
and
Are John Mccain and Ted Cruz who werent born in the U.S. qualified to be President? (I reworded this one but it is similar to an earlier I asked a few times)
ubiquitin -“Are you a DemonCrat?!?”
“I’m not sure what that is.”
S/o who perverts the truth!
“I love how you replied to my citing you actual law with Wikipedia.”
Wrong! I actually quoted from UCLA Law Professor:
“A contrary view is promoted by UCLA Law Professor Eugene Volokh, etc”
There are many posts online about his eligibility for president, I picked the ones that are the most creditable!
Quoting some US law means nothing, but it tells me that you’re a Farbissene DemonCrat! Do yourself a favor – stop pretending that this is a court of law and you’re defending your client Obama!
Health
I love our discussions!
“S/o who perverts the truth!”
Nope that’s not me…
“Wrong! I actually quoted from UCLA Law Professor:”
True though you alos quoted a commentator who disagreed
“There are many posts online about his eligibility for president, I picked the ones that are the most creditable!”
what made them “most creditable” the fact that they said what you wanted to hear
I cited actual laws to you. That doesn’t “mean nothing” that is all that matters. Especially given that there are “many posts about his eligibility” with opinions on both sides (and both cited by you)
“stop pretending that this is a court of law and you’re defending your client Obama! “
I’m not. Im pretending this is yet another thread where your dishonesty can clearly be displayed for all to see
also
I cant help but notice you still haven’t answered my questions:
Out of curiosity do you believe the Holocaust was a hoax, or that Jews were responsible for 9/11? believe it or not there are dozens of youtube videos “proving” both.
and
Are John Mccain and Ted Cruz who werent born in the U.S. qualified to be President? (I reworded this one but it is similar to an earlier I asked a few times)
Health and ubiq: This is silly. You’re both right. You’re both wrong. There are legal analysts who say both ways because it’s not explicit and it’s never gone before the Supreme Court. Most conventional legal analysts say like ubiq, but there are also those who say like Health.
Ubiq-“S/o who perverts the truth!”
“Nope that’s not me…”
Says who? You?
“Wrong! I actually quoted from UCLA Law Professor:”
“True though you alos quoted a commentator who disagreed”
Yes,I did. If there is any validity to his comments, they would get a professional opinion! Why don’t you call up the news and inform them about your disagreement? After all, you claim to be a lawyer!
“what made them “most creditable” the fact that they said what you wanted to hear”
Because they aren’t anonymous & they have professional titles!
“stop pretending that this is a court of law and you’re defending your client Obama! “
“I’m not. Im pretending this is yet another thread where your dishonesty can clearly be displayed for all to see”
You’re joking! I quoted a law professor that stated that if Obama was born outside the US he would not be eligible to seek the presidency.
I also quoted a You Tube video that brings proofs that the birth certificate presented to e/o was a forgery!
I’m willing to discuss those proofs.
The reason I posted on YWN is to show e/o why you shouldn’t vote Democrat (DemonCrat)!
Health
“Says who? You?”
Yes. And my Mommy too.
” If there is any validity to his comments, they would get a professional opinion!”
There are many many legal analysts on his side. (and a few on yours) However the consensus is that even born in Kenya he’s eligible
” Why don’t you call up the news and inform them about your disagreement?”
I’m not in disagreement with the legal consensus. as well as law as written and as I undertsand it.
” After all, you claim to be a lawyer!”
I never claimed that. Can you admit this line is non-factual?
“what made them “most creditable” the fact that they said what you wanted to hear”
Because they aren’t anonymous & they have professional titles!”
Most lawyers and scholars with proffesional titles say Obama is eligible
“stop pretending that this is a court of law and you’re defending your client Obama! “
“I’m not. Im pretending this is yet another thread where your dishonesty can clearly be displayed for all to see”
” I quoted a law professor that stated that if Obama was born outside the US he would not be eligible to seek the presidency”
and I repleid a. with the law not merely an appeal to authority .
and now with b. Neal Katyal and Paul Clement, two (TWO!! I’m winning) former solicitor generals who wrote an op-ed in Harvard LAw review in 2015, idscussing the etymology of “natural born citizen” and how it includes anyone with a US citizen parent.
Oh Deputy Assistant Attorney General and constitutional law attorney Thomas Dupree said the same on Hannity in January (comments were made regarding Cruz who unlike Obama was NOT born in the U.s, yet is elligible)
“I also quoted a You Tube video that brings proofs that the birth certificate presented to e/o was a forgery!”
and I asked several times if you believe the proofs that the Holocaust was a hoax and 9/11 was a jewish operation both of which have many videos on youtub proving their cases.
“I’m willing to discuss those proofs.”
Lol! No your not. I asked the question regarding youtube videos 4 times now. YOu most certainly are not wiling to discuss it.
I also cited actual laws. You keep doubling down on a legal scholar (who btw believes Obama is elligible since he was born in Hawaii. However ok I guess we do hold of palginan)
“The reason I posted on YWN is to show e/o why you shouldn’t vote Democrat (DemonCrat)!”
Why? Because we can read laws? I dont get it
Sam2
I know
Health
Upon further research. Looking at the State Department website. You may have a point.
They seem to understand the revision to Title 8 I cited earlier as applying only to the final clause as Volokh understood it and not as the simple reading would have it (which was how Volokh first understood it)
Now while this doesnt really make sense, as applied to Obama since it would be impossible for his 18 year old mother to have spent “five after the age of fourteen” nevertheless this IS what the State Dept website says so I cant fault you.
Interestingly if born out of wedlock the requirement arent as strict, as only 1 year of living in the US is required. But let me guess you suddenly recognize his parent’s marriage, although his father had a Kenyan wife at the time?
However luckily he was born in Hawaii so this conversation is moot. However I have to change my statement to even if born in Kenya he MOST LIKELY would still be elligible.
why do you think the courts wouldnt hear cases on the subject. Including the Right-wing supreme court? Are they all in on this “Demoncrat” conspiracy?
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Ubiq -“although his father had a Kenyan wife at the time?”
I honestly didn’t even know this! The plot thickens!
“However luckily he was born in Hawaii so this conversation is moot. However I have to change my statement to even if born in Kenya he MOST LIKELY would still be elligible.”
I don’t think that he was born in the US.
But my point was that the DemonCrats aren’t the least bit honest, even though all politicians lie!
So can anybody with any conscious vote Democrat?!?
Ubequitin,
Right wing Supreme Court? Surely you must be joking!
The one that says obamacare is constitutional because it’s a tax? Give me a break!
The one that says states can’t choose whether to ten same gender couples can get married is right wing?
You MUST be supporting Bernie!
“Right wing Supreme Court? Surely you must be joking!”
no not at all:
On the right I put Roberts, Alito, Thomas, Kennedy and Scalia (he was alive during this fracas)
On the left Ginsburg, Breyer, Sotomayor and Kagan.
Even if you disagree with some of their conclusions that is how they generally vote and lean. Though granted there may be exceptions
Even if you where to quibble and say though Kennedy was appointed by a Repblican he is to liberal for you. In 2008 The court was even more right wing since you cant make the same argument regarding Oconner.
“You MUST be supporting Bernie”
nope
CA
BTW whether the court is right or left wing is a side issue.
My point is, it is a stretcht o believe that the court is in on the conspiracy to allow a Kenyan to be president when he might not be elligbile. IT strecths the imagination to beleive the outspoken Scalia would keep his mouth shut and allow a foreign usurper to be President.
Incidently I always found this aspect of conspiracy theorists the most perplexing. The amount of confidence they have in the governement that these complex theories can be organized and kept quiet for decades. Are we realy to believe that the same entity that runs the USPS planted Birth announcements in Hawaiian newspapers in 1961 planning for the Kenyan-Islamist-fascist-atheist-communist to becoem president 60 years later? And got the other branches of the governement to go along?
ITs certainly possible, but I for one do not have that much faith in the government
Ubiq -“The amount of confidence they have in the governement that these complex theories can be organized and kept quiet for decades.”
I actually believe that it’s just the opposite! They are so incompetent, anything can happen.
“Are we realy to believe that the same entity that runs the USPS planted Birth announcements in Hawaiian newspapers in 1961 planning for the Kenyan-Islamist-fascist-atheist-communist to becoem president 60 years later? And got the other branches of the governement to go along?”
What I think is that the newspapers wrote that he was born, just not where he was born!
It was in Kenya, not Hawaii.
Why does that matter so much?
Sam2:
This is silly.
+1
Why don’t we talk about what the law would be if Donald Trump was actually a shape-shifting lizard? After all, this theory hasn’t been conclusively disproven…
adocs,
I would really appreciate an answer to my question. What conspiracy theory in the vaccine thread specifically prompted this OP?
Adocs
Not sure you meant my post. But I’ll explain anyway.
Greed and corruption definitely lead to conspiracies. There obviously have been conspiracies in the past. Conspiracy theories, however baseless they are, are a suspicion of conspiracy. Once a conspiracy has been exposed there is no theory.
I was wondering the same thing as Avram in MD.
adocs -Do you want another Conspiracy theory? Here’s one:
From Yahoo news:
“By not formally labeling it as a terrorist attack in the offset, Republican and conservative media outlets (Fox News, in particular) put forth the idea that Benghazi was a “cover-up” by the Obama administration. Essentially, the claim is that the administration did not heed proper security warnings before the attack, which lead to military support coming in too late. This was aided by the recovery of Stevens’ personal journal after the assault by CNN, which the broadcasting network reported that he wrote he was concerned about security in Libya in the months prior to the attack.
Health,
this has been hashed and rehashed thousands of times
There’s a definition about insanity it goes like this
“Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result”
CA -“this has been hashed and rehashed thousands of times”
Are you a Demoncrat? It might have been hashed over & over, but the government is still investigating it!
The major parties are corrupt and dishonest.
Health,
No I’m a registered republican (a Cruz supporter, listen to rush, Hannity and mark Levin mind you)
The government isn’t looking into Benghazi, their looking into clinton’s email which might have more info on Benghazi it’s just that Charlie, ubequitin, and all the other democrat posters aren’t going to accept any of it and everyone else already heard (or shall I say saw it) numerous times already
If there’s no tachlis why post it?
1) 9/11 – 2 Planes = 3 Buildings self-destruct in 10 seconds. (google building 7)
2) Sandy Hook Shooting – An Autistic Kid goes into a School, He Shoots 150 rounds Killing 27 Children/Adults – No Rescue Helicopters, Roadway completely blocked. No children were brought out of school. Not even a drop off blood was ever seen..
Thats just to name a couple…
“I don’t think that he was born in the US.”
Then you are a fool.
There is a birth certificate in the Hawaii vital records department. The Jewish Republican former Governor vouched for it when she was Governor. The non-Jewish Democratic former Governor also vouched for it when he was Governor and furthermore when he was a student at the University of Hawaii he personally knew both of Obama’s parents. Furthermore there were birth notices in two Honolulu newspapers shortly after the birth. And his father’s immigration records state that Barack Obama II was born in Honolulu on August 4, 1961.
My own birth in Pennsylvania is nowhere nearly as well documented.
CharlieHall
“My own birth in Pennsylvania is nowhere nearly as well documented.”
That’s why his is so suspect!!!
adocs: You didn’t see? The Iranian government explained exactly how Israel was actually behind it.
Charlie -“There is a birth certificate in the Hawaii vital records department.”
You poor misunderstood DemonCrat!
Google – Obama birth record a forgery!
They bring multiple proofs that it is a forgery!
A forgery!?
Is it possible?
I assume you have a YouTube video, National Enquirer article, or other authoritative source to back this up.
Why do I even bother?
feivel -“A forgery!?
Is it possible?
I assume you have a YouTube video, National Enquirer article, or other authoritative source to back this up.”
For an English teacher you seem to have a comprehension problem!
Look at the proofs there!
Health– did you know vaccines are really bad? They cause autism and other problems. I saw a YouTube video that explained it all, and in the comments they explained it further. There are tons of proofs, Google-vaccines cause autism.
Also, did you know that the Jews are actually an ancient, shapeshifting alien race? I saw this YouTube video, Google- Jews are reptilians.
Health
Have you seen the proofs that Jews were responsible for the events of 9/11. OR that the Holocaust is a hoax?
Alex Jones is a genius. I’m really glad he is revealing truth to the world
feivel – How come you’re allowed to have multiple names and Not Joe?!?
Eg – secretagentyid, ubiquitin!!!
Lol. Yeah right
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