Confiscating Shoes

Moshe, anyone ever tell you about the boy who cried wolf (no disrepect to Wolfishmusings)? What you did was VERY serious, and you should have been suspended. Fire is not a joke, and faking an alarm is actually a criminal act. You could have been arrested.

Forcing the Fire Department to respond to a phony call, might have chalilah resulted in someone else’s death because that fire department was deployed by your school instead of where they were really needed. And you BOAST about this immature act? You think you were a HERO???? Your actions were more like a zero. What a chillul Hashem, if this is not a phony post (which I am tending to think it was)!

I try never to be abrasive or argumentative with anyone here, but if this was not a “troll” type post and really happened, you should be ashamed of your actions instead of bragging about them and asserting you would do it again.

don’t know what you want Oomnis, the only reasont that the fire department was called was because a teacher panicked. The alarm has a small screen which says which sensor detected the fire, and it said clearly that it was set off by the pin code.

I would suspect that this is from the unfortunate pekel of European ideas that remain in our society. I suffered this treatment as a first grader 48 years ago, when the concept of teaching credentials was still in its formative stage. The limudei kodesh teachers were of European and European/Israeli background. I have no way of knowing if this scarred me forever, but for sure it is in the mix, and as my name says, I am not the most normal guy on the block, though I function well, I have a strong dislike/ disregard for authority.

Mrs. Katz, i second that.

Twisted, not every European idea is so out of place or unfourtunate. Hatzlocho is untwisting yourself.

Anyway, isn’t it geneiva?

One more brilliant idea,

Brooklyn teacher and shoe store assistant should switch jobs. le’toivas ha’Klal.

I actually have an admission to make, I suffered a very traumatic event in my childhood.

I only bought My first pair of lace ups in the middle of fourth grade, and of course I went to school without knowing how to tie a lace. Our teacher then was an older ennglish lady told me a few times to tie my sheolaces, and eventually made me take off my shoes. To add to my trauma, she actaully chose a day on which we had sports/ (which we did in the school lunch room).

Of course i wore my old shoes to school for the next few days, until my mother realised, and then i had to start asking my friends to tie my laces during recess. In all honesty i don’t think it really bothered me that much.

Someone told me in the store recently that their son always removes his shoes in school and the rebbi eventually confiscated them, but I think that it is a bit different if the child takes them off himself.

Sounds like it did bother you.

In all honesty i never knew how to tie a shoelace, and didn’t leanr how to tie a bow until my mother bought me a tisch bekesch by my bar mitzva. I’m serious.

Venahpoich, did ypur rebbis teachers and parents not care? Mine ttooki it really seriously.

I have been doing an informal survey on my customers to see whether their children have ever had to remove their shoes in school.

a) every child has been asked to remove their shoes as part of “regular” activities, i.e. soft play, ball ponds, doctors or nurses doing checkups, various sport activities done without footwear.

b) Most schools do not allow children to come in crocs, and some do not allow sneakers too. Many schools ignore it if the children come in once or twice, but eventually warn the children the first time, and then either send them home, or confiscate the footwear.

Some also insist on sneakers for sport activites, and at least one boy said that if they forget their sneakers at home two weeks running they have to forfeit their shoes for AN ENTIRE DAY.

And now some interesting ones.

C) a maths teacher who told all the childrfen to remove their shoes and then showed them how to measure all the feet, and taught the chidlren how to make graphs.

d) a rebbi who if he sends a boy out of class first confiscates his shoes, he says he doesn’t want the boys playing soccer in the yard when he sent them out of class!!!!

e) one school take off both the shoes and socks and CLIMB ROPES BAREFOOT!!!

f) a rebbi who runs a quiz, where if you don’t know a question you take off your shoe. if you lose both shoes you’re out.

g) a sports teacher who tells the boys to do head stands and tumble overs in stocking feet.

There were quite a few more, each stranger than the next, including art – draw round your barefoot, or draw your shoe! science activities, plays… you name it.

really pleased to see that you guys have recovered.

Venahapoich hu, amen to all your brochos, on this post and everywhere else. Mat Hashem answer all your tefillois.

Hello shoe store assistant,

I have been chuckling as I read your informal survey results…in my mind’s eye, I see you asking various matrons with gaggles of children a series of questions, and as they all respond at once, you are furiously scribbling notes on a small pad of paper that you keep in your pocket. 🙂

Hello shoe store assistant,

I wish you good luck with that project!! Interesting thesis…

I am too timid with math to touch that other question 🙂

Based on yesterday’s Haftoro of vaYeshev from Sepher Amos, tragically, people will do anything for a pair of shoes. Nothing has changed since Amos’s time thru to our time.

BUMP

What a child wears is the parents decision. For the school to involve itself with the clothing or footwear is overstepping boundaries.

There are two exceptions:

If the school has rules about clothing, i.e. uniform, sports shoes for sports, etc… then obviously they should enforce them – without humiliating the child.

If a child misuses an item of clothing or footwear, say he throws his shoe(s) at a teacher or classmate, then obviously it is the educators right to proceed as they see fit. I have given another example in the above thread.

Confiscating footwear if a child comes late to school is definitely overstepping boundaries. The punishment is also out of proportion and unreasonable.

Always remember, a child’s ego is very fragile, and humiliating them in public is never a good idea.

On the second site to come up there was a poll about it, and here are some results:

Over 88% said that it was used as a punishment in their school.

36% said they loved it, 27% as no big deal

68% said they prefer to forfeit their shoes to staiying in detention.

Also, a quote;

Whether or not shoes confiscation is a punishment, it does solve problems. If you take away shoes for kicking and fighting,a student can not harm a person in just socks as he can with shoes on. If you take away shoes for running in the hall, the offender can not run in the hall very well in just socks. If you take away shoes for walking on the gym floor with shoes on, the person will not walk on the floor with shoes on because He has to be in socks. If you take away shoes for fogetting materials or leaving without permission, the person will not do that again because He would have to leave without his shoes. The goal is to solve the problem and keep the behavior from happening again. Shoe confiscation can do this for certain offenses.

I personally would probably have chosen the shoes, not because i really prefer it, but because that way my parents wouldn’t get involved.

Still, i agree with the teacher that it oversteps boundaries.

by the way feter leibel the word is staying, not staiying

I had a teacher in first grade who would sometimes take shoes away from kids as a punishment. This was only done if a kid was being really unruly, and getting out of her seat several times during class. My teacher would tell her that she already had her recess during class, so she doesn’t have to have recess again. She would take the girls shoes to make sure that she doesn’t go out to the yard and the girl would get it back when recess was over. I remember being in an older grade and seeing that a girl went outside without her shoes… I found it to be really chutzpadig.