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NC, which mainstream opinion? Why would it be ossur? What do you mean am I sure? If you want to know if I’ve discussed with a posek, the answer is yes, and he agreed with me, but as one cannot follow a psak from an anonymous internet poster, I am merely stating my opinion for the sake of the discussion, and would love to hear a reason to asser.
heres another one: saying elokeinu velokei avoseinu (duchan replacement) on fast days during mincha when mincha is davened early in the day. the rama and mishana brura explicitly follow the mechaber not to say it yet everyone does. why?
Neville, the more accurate description would be unnecessary talking. As an example, you can say “excuse me” as opposed to pushing somebody.
As I stated in the other thread the most common mistake is being made by those arguing with DY. They think their position is the only valid one. Another common mistake is mistaking a chumrah as halachs. The classic case is gebrocht. It’s gotten to the point where eating gebrocht is considered a kulah when it is in fact the halacha
I think gebrochs is more minhag than chumrah. No?
At a point during davening that it’s ossur to talk, you shouldn’t say “excuse me” or push somebody.
If the person doesn’t realize you HAVE to get past him and those are your two choices, say excuse me.
People treat non-gebrovhts as halachs; I’ve been told I’m making use of a kulah. I would agree that gebrocht is a minhag
I never said my opinion is the “most valid” one. I just said it’s the most mainstream. I stand by that.
I’ve never heard of anyone thinking refraining from gebrochts is halachah.
DY: It’s assur for the reasons already mentioned. I assume it’s most mainstream because it seems to be how most people hold (just look at this very thread). I apologize for questioning whether or not you had already questioned a Rav.
People treat non-gebrovhts as halachs; I’ve been told I’m making use of a kulah.
Heck, I’ve had people tell me that by eating g’brokets, I’m actually eating chametz on Pesach.
The Wolf
I know someone who won’t eat at my house because I’m Chashud on Kashrus because I don’t keep Gebrochts.
That’s what he tells you.
heres another one: saying elokeinu velokei avoseinu (duchan replacement) on fast days during mincha when mincha is davened early in the day. the rama and mishana brura explicitly follow the mechaber not to say it yet everyone does. why?
That is incorrect. They do not explicitly say not to say it when davening early Minchah.
See Chazon Ish O.C. 20 for the reason:
http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14336&st=&pgnum=58
I think “that’s what he tells you” is a pretty apt response (assuming that was to Sam). There are probably reasons other than just the gebrochts. It could be that gebrochts is just one way of measuring whether or not people have the same kashrus standards, a “litmus test” so to speak.
NCB: Sure, that was the point. If someone is Chashud on Kashrus, you can’t trust their Kashrus.
Many I have seen shave their heads, erroneously thinking that Peos ha’Rosh have the same Din as Peos ha’Zakan, allowing them to shave them off as long as they do not use a razor. This pains me deeply, and I have stopped telling people (gently, of course), since they generally do not believe me.
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