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what are the best streets to collect in Lawrence?
The streets the rich people live on.
Unless you have a list of people to go to, it is not a good idea to go randomly collecting, you never know who will answer the door and some people might not be too happy you are there
So they’re not too happy. Not everyone’s always happy anyways. Life goes on and you go to the next random Yid’s door.
Not everyone is a Yid and some peoples houses are more like forts
Check for a mezuza.
like forts in what ways? As long as they don’t have dogs or guns, what could the problem be?
Alot of people there have either big fences or even walls around their property
I think there are also some private security
I dont live there so I cant say exactly, but just because there are very rich people there doesnt mean its easy pickens
Dress up as a police officer and they’ll open their door.
Look for signs that say “No soliciting” and skip those houses.
Tzdekah collectors will ignore the “No soliciting signs”
Impersonating a police officer is a crime
Joseph: Or call the real police and then you can use your one phone call to telecollect
lesschumras: There are usually some little kids who dress as cops for Purim. I’d better call the cops so they can arrest them.
Impersonating and dressing up are two different things.
Tzdekah collectors will ignore the “No soliciting signs”
Trespassing is a crime.
You need a letter of authorization from the Vaad of the 5 Towns. Otherwise, people will NOT give.
Too many scammers over the years. People are very wary, rich or not.
“I dont live there so I cant say exactly…”
so dont say anything. Is there a law that requires comment if you dont know what you are talkign about?
“You need a letter of authorization from the Vaad of the 5 Towns. Otherwise, people will NOT give.”
I protest this motzei laz. On Purim the haalcha is “kol haposhtin yad nosnin lo” And this is generally practiced to the best of my knowledge. Yes with a letter you’ll get more, but go ahead knock on doors you will get something
Requiring a letter is not something exclusive to Lawrence, Lakewood requires it as well
“Requiring a letter is not something exclusive to Lawrence, Lakewood requires it as well”
On Purim too? Or only the rest of the year?
“Impersonating and dressing up are two different things.”
Kind of like the difference between RebYidd or PBA trolling and a real troll trolling.
We do not open doors no matter what the day is to anyone without a letter. The collectors know the rules, and yes, there are too many scammers around. If they can’t prove they are legitimate, no latter
How unpurim like…
On Purim we specifically give to everyone who asks. And if someone is desperate enough to scam people, that is also someone who needs the money.
This is (IMHO) a classic “Nehurah Bei Planya” question and therefore Avak Lashon Hara to answer regarding specific areas. Go, do your Hishtadlus, and if you have a good cause, may Hashem help you.
One point. If you go Purim night, do not expect anyone to open doors. People want to sleep and there is no Chiyuv.
For whom are you planning to collect?
lesschumras – It says on Purim “Kol HaPoshet Yad Nosnim Lo”, which means you have to give something. 10 Agurot or a penny is “something”, and they get the point.
I have also heard that many “wealthy” people go away for Purim, so don’t expect anyone to respond. Even without people knocking for money, it may be cheaper than having to give so many Mishloach Manos LOL.
Gavra, it has to be a shava prutah.
DY – I was thinking about that. Do you have a source that the “Nosnim Lo” has to be a Shava Perutah? (Not Matanos L’evyonim, which you hopefully gave to a reliable institution or your Rov)
I give via organizations and tzedakahs authorized by the shul. The problem with giving small amounts to collectors is the demands for larger amounts.
Gavra, ????? always means a ??? ?????. See, for example, ??”? ???”? ?.
http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14166&st=&pgnum=321
LC, but the Shulchan Aruch says to give anyone who asks.
DY: “Gavra, ????? always means a ??? ?????.’
That’s interesting. I hadn’t realized that. L’maaseh, I don’t think I gave anyone less, but it’s good to know. I wonder how much that is in shekalim.
DY – Except where it doesn’t, for example Chalipin.
I hear the Rayah from the Shaarei Teshuva though, and thank you for the Maare Makom.
LUL – A perutah is 1/8 of an Issar Ha’Italki 🙂 In all seriousness, if you hold it is 1/2 of a grain of silver (which is the Shittah of the Rambam in Mishnayos Kiddushin), it is currently worth about 1.75 cents, which is less than 10 Agurot.
I give via organizations and tzedakahs authorized by the shul. The problem with giving small amounts to collectors is the demands for larger amounts.
Giving two cents (for DY 🙂 does not demand larger amounts. And you can forcefully say “no” and turn your back.
When they are in your house it’s not that simple
GAW – well since there is nothing less than 10 agurot, I guess I have nothing to worry about 🙂 It’s a good thing that 5 agurot no longer exists.
I believe R’ Moshe held a perutah is the smallest amount that has purhcasing pwer. In those days it was said to be a nickel, though perhaps now would be a dime or slightly more
According to something called Halachipedia, Rav Yisroel Pinchas Bodner says a prutah today is a quarter (Halachos of Other Peoples’ Money, published in 2003).
10 agurot has buying power- you can buy a plastic bag at the supermarket with it.
WTP – true. Maybe people will start to value 10 agurot more now. I always feel guilty now when I’m a guest at someone’s house for Shabbos and I ask them for a plastic bag on Motzei Shabbos to help me pack my stuff in – something I never used to think about twice.
Rav Bodner is the author of one of the two well-known Hilchos Brachos Sefarim in english. I think he’s also the author of a well-know english sefer on Hilchos Muktzah.
WTP – on the other hand, the bag by itself is useless, so I wonder if that would count halachically.
Plastic Bags are currently free in NYC, even if the mayor is trying to change that
DY – Except where it doesn’t, for example Chalipin.
Is chalipin a nesinah?
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