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December 2, 2016 2:56 pm at 2:56 pm #618766JosephParticipant
Have those that follow the Western custom of giving Christmas presents yet decided which of the newest and hottest seasonal gifts they will give their loved ones to enhance their Chanukah?
December 2, 2016 3:26 pm at 3:26 pm #1200644zahavasdadParticipantJoseph
Since all jews are mishpacha, it is only proper that you give your relative a gift that will enhance my Chankah. A new Lexus will greatly enhance my simchas Yom tov and I am giving you the Zchus of enganging the Mitzvah of simchas Yom tov by letting you get me a Brand new Lexus
December 2, 2016 3:40 pm at 3:40 pm #1200645apushatayidParticipantI asked YWN for an “ignore certain user” feature, hopefully they will come through.
December 2, 2016 4:25 pm at 4:25 pm #1200646JosephParticipantapy: You’re over five years late:
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/cr-ignore-list
December 2, 2016 4:30 pm at 4:30 pm #1200647apushatayidParticipantYou call it lateness, I call it persistence.
December 2, 2016 4:31 pm at 4:31 pm #1200648UtahMemberI want a Red Rider BB Gun
December 2, 2016 8:13 pm at 8:13 pm #1200649MammeleParticipantAnd those that follow the Jewish custom of giving Chanukah gelt are welcome to give me a million bucks. And then I can get myself “a few” gifts of my choosing, but I’ll be nice about it and not use red and green wrapping paper.
December 4, 2016 6:17 am at 6:17 am #1200650tzniusMemberyour not allowed to give christmas presents.
December 4, 2016 6:53 am at 6:53 am #1200651hujuParticipantWho wants to chip in with me to get Joseph a cuckoo clock?
December 4, 2016 7:09 am at 7:09 am #1200652LightbriteParticipantWith birds?
December 18, 2016 1:52 pm at 1:52 pm #1200653JosephParticipantubiq, have you gotten the kids chrismaku presents yet? :p
December 18, 2016 4:54 pm at 4:54 pm #1200654ubiquitinParticipantno Joseph
I have studied fake halacha and like you are quite versed in the subject.
As such presents, cookies, smiling, singing, eating anything other than latkes and sufganiot playing anything other than dreidel are all issurei deoraysa and copied from goyim.
any other food served at Chrismaku parties is obviously copying goyim as is singing anything aside for Hallel (there are some modern poskim who allow songs from hallel to be sung even not in the context of hallel, but as you may know I am very frum when it come to fake halacha)
December 18, 2016 5:42 pm at 5:42 pm #1200655LightbriteParticipantWhat about the minhag of going to kosher restaurants on Christmas?
What does Rashi say about giving someone a kosher restaurant gift card for Channukah?
December 9, 2017 6:36 pm at 6:36 pm #1422960icemelterParticipantCan anyone spare a Hannukah Tree?
December 9, 2017 6:37 pm at 6:37 pm #1422956JosephParticipantHas anyone wrapped up their Christmas shopping before Chanukah, yet?
December 9, 2017 9:48 pm at 9:48 pm #1422976Neville ChaimBerlinParticipant“What does Rashi say about giving someone a kosher restaurant gift card for Channukah?”
We taught LB how to troll… Feels kind of wrong…
December 10, 2017 8:04 am at 8:04 am #1423085LightbriteParticipantJoseph: Please help… I’m all done buying presents, but now I’m stuck figuring out two things…
1) Where am I supposed to hide them?
2) What are you supposed to do with these super-sized single socks?
Thanks in advance ☺
December 10, 2017 8:08 am at 8:08 am #1423082LightbriteParticipantLol… awww, yays!!! Thank you… for you didn’t just hand me a fish… you taught me how to fish 🐟💓🐳💚🐋
Seriously (kinda) though… maybe back in Rashi’s day, people used IOU’s instead of gift cards…
And didn’t Rashi’s French neighbors celebrate Xmas?
Maybe Jews went to someone’s a big IOU feast on Xmas.
? I understand all the words in this post, but have no idea what it means?
December 10, 2017 9:05 am at 9:05 am #1423169JosephParticipantLightbrite, the way it works — according to those who give presents on Chanukah — is to put the Chanukah presents in the sock and hide it under the beautiful lit up (for the festival of lights) Chanukah tree. When the kinderlach wake up the first morning of Chanukah, they are all surprised by what present the old Yid, Reb Simcha Klutz, with his big white beard and long red reckel left them after dropping in the chimney.
December 10, 2017 11:06 am at 11:06 am #1423301LightbriteParticipantMod… thank you for posting ☺
Maybe questions…
During Rashi’s time, were there Kosher restaurants (staffed by servants maybe?) where Jews could eat?
Was there such a thing as buying a meal on credit, bartering, or on a tab (maybe like they once had at small town grocery stores) ?
December 13, 2017 8:54 pm at 8:54 pm #1427304JosephParticipantFor those who follow this pop-culture custom for this season, what presents did you under your Chanukah tree?
December 14, 2017 10:37 am at 10:37 am #1427381☢️ Rand0m3x 🎲ParticipantI accidentally the presents.
December 17, 2017 7:37 pm at 7:37 pm #1429020JosephParticipantThose who give Chanukah presents have the associated minhag of also singing Chanukah carols.
December 18, 2017 1:26 am at 1:26 am #1429081ubiquitinParticipant“Those who give Chanukah presents have the associated minhag of also singing Chanukah carols”
I knew the day would come when you would frown on singing chanukah songs.
Are parties still ok?
what about smiling? My goyish neighbor smiles a lot this time of yearDecember 18, 2017 1:25 pm at 1:25 pm #1429485☢️ Rand0m3x 🎲ParticipantAm I allowed to sing “Jingle Coins?”
November 26, 2018 12:39 pm at 12:39 pm #1630690JosephParticipantDid anyone do their Chri…, er, holiday shopping yet?
November 26, 2018 12:49 pm at 12:49 pm #1630709ubiquitinParticipantI was wondering what was taking your annual Christmas greeting so long this year.
Then I realized it is because Chankha is “early ” this year.so there is still some time until your religion’s holiday hence your late greeting.
Happy holidays Joseph
November 26, 2018 12:50 pm at 12:50 pm #1630702Reb EliezerParticipantThere is no halacha anywhere to give presents on Chanukah. There is a custom to give money called Chanukah gelt. This was instituted only for the children not be disappointed for not getting any presents.
November 26, 2018 1:25 pm at 1:25 pm #1630726👑RebYidd23ParticipantIf you have a love-hate relationship with someone, give them expensive personal hygiene products, because it will confuse them.
November 26, 2018 2:39 pm at 2:39 pm #1630787MammeleParticipantJust reread this thread. Disappointed it’s been almost 2 years and no one took up my “offer” of giving me a million bucks in totally Kosher Chanukah gelt.
I guess Joseph is right and this minhag needs major strengthening.
November 26, 2018 6:13 pm at 6:13 pm #1630859yitzchokmParticipantI just saw a flyer for a Hanukkah “toys for tots” campaign. Absolutely disgusting
November 26, 2018 9:03 pm at 9:03 pm #1630951Reb EliezerParticipantJoseph, what is the purpose of the title of this thread? You could have left off the first word.
November 26, 2018 10:17 pm at 10:17 pm #1631015JosephParticipantlaskern: I’m merely being honest about where the idea of giving presents on Chanukah originated from.
November 26, 2018 11:52 pm at 11:52 pm #1631051Reb EliezerParticipantJoseph, don’t need to belabor the obvious. Look at my post above. What about a Bas Mitzva.
November 27, 2018 9:27 am at 9:27 am #1631194ubiquitinParticipant“Absolutely disgusting”
Ugh making poorer kids happy. feh what a goyish idea.
You think thats bad, my shul had a dinner to raise money. What is the world coming too.
Laskern
“Joseph, don’t need to belabor the obvious. ”I worry, you are taking Joseph seriously.
He is parodying am haaratzim, he doesnt really mean it. Please don’t be taken in.
Look up hilchos chukas akum YD 178. See the Remah there, the Mahrik. Joseph has been taught this beforeNovember 27, 2018 10:03 am at 10:03 am #1631245apushatayidParticipantanyone wish to chip in a buy joseph a gift certificate for a one night stay at a manger in bethlehem?
November 27, 2018 10:04 am at 10:04 am #1631246👑RebYidd23ParticipantActually, many people do give Xmas presents on Chanukah if their Rav allows it–to goyim, of course.
November 27, 2018 10:26 am at 10:26 am #1631308yitzchokmParticipantHow about wrapping up some presents under a tree, to make kids happy? What’s wrong with that? We must make poor kids happy. At all costs
November 27, 2018 10:26 am at 10:26 am #1631525GadolhadorahParticipantAny “gift” that would facilitate the observance or mitzvos by another yid would be especially appropriate even though many frum families now forego “Chanukah gift” other than perhaps for little children to keep them engaged with the menorah lighting and stories of neis chanukah. A new App for learning some variation of daf yom or containing all the weekday davening, a gift card for Uber trips to shul when the weather is bad and walking is not an option, a new stroller for the mom to take the little ones to shul (within the eruv of course if you so hold), or a gift for hidur mitzvah of some sort (a new challah cover, a “fire safe” blech for shabbos, a new silver box for that gazillion dollar Calabrian esrog, etc).
November 27, 2018 11:47 am at 11:47 am #1631551JosephParticipantlaskern: Rav Moshe has three teshuvos decrying Bas Mitzvah parties/ceremonies. It’s absolutely wrong. Rav Moshe was no machmir. What’s the shaila?
November 27, 2018 11:50 am at 11:50 am #1631602ubiquitinParticipant“What’s wrong with that?”
Whats wrong with you?
Who is talking about gifts under a tree? take it easy with the wahtaboutismand if you do want to pursue silly whataboutism, why stop there, I’ll do you one better what about shooting people to make kids happy?
do these comments make sense to you ?
Also are you Joseph ?November 27, 2018 1:13 pm at 1:13 pm #1631647Reb EliezerParticipantJoseph; I made a Baas Mitzva for my daughter without men which is necessary in order the girls should not feel left out as ruled by the Saridei Aish. Similarly, giving presents on Chanukah might also be necessary not to feel left out.
November 27, 2018 1:18 pm at 1:18 pm #1631646GadolhadorahParticipantThere is no reason you cannot donate to a “Toys for Tots” campaign run in our area by the Marine Corps reserve unit and local First Responders…..please show me where it is assur to donate to a goiyeshe charity. These programs operate as non-denominational efforts in low-income communities. While I don’t expect to see a fire truck full of Barbie Dolls and Leggo sets pulling up to the big shul in KJ , there is no reason a yid who has provided funds to yiddeshe mosdos could not also donate to other charities in the communities where he/she resides or at an office-wide collection at their place of employment.
November 27, 2018 1:51 pm at 1:51 pm #1631708JosephParticipantlaskern: As an American Ashkenazi, why are you going with the Sidrei Aish over Rav Moshe?
November 27, 2018 2:25 pm at 2:25 pm #1631734TalmidchochomParticipantHo Ho Ho or is it more proper to say: Ay yay Yay?
November 27, 2018 2:25 pm at 2:25 pm #1631736TalmidchochomParticipantOn a serious note, all poskim and gedolim agree that Chanukah gelt is the way to go.
Why that is not a takeoff from the goyishe gift giving is beyond even me!
November 27, 2018 2:47 pm at 2:47 pm #1631744apushatayidParticipantI encourage everyone to see the igros moshe inside. draw your own conclusion from Rav moshes own words what his opinion is on a bas mitzvah.
November 27, 2018 2:53 pm at 2:53 pm #1631750Reb EliezerParticipantRav Moshe does not forbid a baas mitzva. He says it is a reshus. When her friend have it, you go after the next best. Similarly, over here when the friends get presents, they will feel left out.
November 27, 2018 3:07 pm at 3:07 pm #1631747ubiquitinParticipantTalmidchochom
Your post isn’t serious at all.
“all poskim and gedolim agree that Chanukah gelt is the way to go.”
source please?
No posek argues on shava kesef kekesef.
R’ Yaakov says explicitly that it is ok“Why that is not a takeoff from the goyishe gift giving is beyond even me!”
it is.
Though live up to your screen name please, don’t be like Joseph pick up a YD look up siman 178 it is a short siman, read the Remah, see the maharik see the pischei Teshuva (read the Gra as well of course)Laskern
don’t listen to Joseph, as always he is wrong. R’ Moshe does not say it is “It’s absolutely wrong. , while he does call it “Hevel” (in OC 1:104 (IIRC)) he does also call it a devar reshus. In other words not assur.November 29, 2018 10:49 am at 10:49 am #1633029apushatayidParticipantAs it relates to the topic of this thread, chanuka presents and not the bas mitzvah sidebar, read Rabbi Yaackov Solomons little blurb in his “out of the box” piece on page 6 of this weeks FJJ (google flatbush jewish jourmal to read it online).
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