Cholov Yisroel VS Cholov Stam

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Chalav Yisroel spoils before the expiration date

Joseph, when R’ Moshe said b’shaas hadchak, it was in response to a unique case. In the teshuvos which he chose to include in the Igros Moshe, he never mentioned that part. He was matir it in general.

The reason is that Reb Moshe allows cholov stam because the government watches out for mixing milk from a non-kosher animal so there is mirthas, fear involved. The question they put up is if the chachomim forbid milk from a non-jew with a count or we are doing it from custom which makes the prohibition biblical because of a neder. Certainly if someone can get cholov yisroel then he should rather get it.

Ask Reb Dovid Feinstein if cholov stam is muttar.

Yossii: your last sentence is utter nonsense. Non-jewish store owners only know Chalov Yisroel as the “Kosher” milk, not the only milk that is kosher. They think they have to separate it. They do not know the difference between Chalov stam and Chalov Yisroel.

The teshuva that says bshas hadchak is in the Igros Moshe.

Zahavas dad get over it. When I live it doesn’t go bad before the date. And if it does so what just drink it before it goes bad. Is that supposed to be some sorry excuse not to keep cholov yisroel? Thousands of people manage it just fine. Rav Moshe himself kept it. Are you going to bash him too?

To the mods: is there any valid reason to open and keep open another chalav yisroel vs stam thread?

All that is important to them is that a gazillion years ago, some goy might have milked a cow, adulterated the milk, yadda yadda.

What’s important is that there was a gezeiras Chazal which does not become nullified unless a beis din which is greater than the one which made the gezeirah (which doesn’t exist today) nullifies it.

For those who hold that cholov stam is sufficient for their hashkafah

You seem to ignore the fact that it’s a halachah shailah (whether today’s milk fits the gezeirah).

Reb Moshe has a trshuva in the sefer that it’s a treifah. Therefore there is nothing to ask Reb Dovid Or Reb Reuvain.
That’s right, Reb Moshe’s teshuva says that the veterinarian procedures commonly done to cows )DA’s, Bloating, etc.) make the cow a treifah, that makes the milk cholov-treif.

Reb Moshe has a trshuva in the sefer that it’s a treifah.

Can you please cite the source? It would be interesting to see, since Rav Belsky was mattir based on the animals not being treifah.

Therefore there is nothing to ask Reb Dovid Or Reb Reuvain.

This is a mistake. Even if the milk from DA cows us treifah, the containers of milk you buy in the stores could be muttar because of bittul. That is the psak of R’ Chatzkel Roth, and I assume the reason R’ Dovid Feinstein is in fact mattir.

The gedolei poskim in Eretz Yisroel were in fact machmir, so there is certainly reason to buy only CY even for one who used to be meikil, but it is false to claim that those who do buy CS don’t have on whom to rely.

There’s a lot of nonsense written about Reb Moshe’s shita, by people who’ve never cracked a sefer in their lives, and wouldn’t know how to read a teshuvah. Here are the facts:

1. In the machlokes whether Cholov Yisroel is a dovor shebeminyan, i.e. a decree by Chazal that can never be changed, or merely a takono that applied only when there is a real concern for treife milk in the supply, Reb Moshe absolutely and unequivocally sided with the Chasam Sofer, that it is a dovor shebeminyan, and therefore there is no heter to drink milk that is bought, e.g., from a goyishe farm.

2. Having said that, Reb Moshe then goes on to pasken that all commercial milk is cholov yisroel. He is emphatic that this psak is not merely a heter bish’as had’chak, but is 100% his opinion of what the halacha really is. To understand why he holds this you must learn all the teshuvos in Igros Moshe on the topic, not just the short ones. But those who dispute that he held this are simply liars. Stupid liars, because they rely on people not looking inside at the teshuvos.

3. Having said that, and having made it as plain as he could, Reb Moshe then says that it’s a hidur not to rely on his heter. That a baal nefesh should not rely on it, that he himself doesn’t rely on it, and that Jewish schools, which exist for the sole purpose of educatig Jewish children to be mehader bemitzvos, must not rely on his heter. He never says why one should not rely on it, since he repeatedly insists it is the true halacha. Nonetheless, this is what he says.

4. The fact is that although he himself did not drink commercial milk he did allow it in his home, and his Rebbetzin and children did drink it, even though regular cholov yisroel (i.e. not just according to his shita) was available in NYC.

Joseph that is not good enough. When poskim used the wording of Bal nefesh it used very carefully. A couple years ago AKO had a discussion of whether kashrus organizations should be giving certification on chalov Stam products. Google it there was a video. In it Rabbi Belsky ZL told 2 stores from R Moshe about how he was so careful to use that wording. Rabbi Fuerst said then he asked R Moshe that every one was disagreeing with him maybe there was something there. R Moshe respond any one arguing with his psak just does not know the sugya.

cholov yisreal is more lechatchila than a chumra…