Cholov Akum

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Look at the ingredients. If there is no sign of milk, then it might just be dairy equipment, as the OU does not use a “DE” designation.

If you see no milk ingredients, you should call them (the OU) at 212-613-8241 and ask. They will tell you if it’s DE vs Dairy if you ask.

Like Daas Yochid said, you can also be matir neder.

Hatzlaha

What is the halachic difference between cholov stam (“d”) and dairy equipment food(“de”)? If someone doesn’t eat CS, they usually are machmir on not eating DE as well?

And can DE be eaten with fleishigs? Or after fleishigs (i.e. before 6 hours but not together with the fleishigs)?

What is the halachic difference between cholov stam (“d”) and dairy equipment food(“de”)? If someone doesn’t eat CS, they usually are machmir on not eating DE as well?

And can DE be eaten with fleishigs? Or after fleishigs (i.e. before 6 hours but not together with the fleishigs)?

In theory, since the halacha is clear that cholov akum makes utensils non-kosher, one who is makpid on CY should also be makpid on utensils. In practice, not everyone is. An important factor to consider is whether the equipment was used within the last 24 hours (“ben yomo”) or not (“eino ben yomo”). In the latter case, it would not be a problem.

As far as eating together with fleishigs, again, it depends on when the last time the equipment was used for milchig. I’m referring to manufactured items; using your own milchig pots is a bit more complicated.

Regarding waiting 6 hours, it is not required, even if it was a ben yomo.

Of course, ask your posek.

BTW, the OU does not use the DE designation, but other hechsherim do, and by calling the OU you can determine if a particular product has dairy ingredients or is merely manufactured on dairy utensils.

Daas: Since the cholov akum makes the utensils treif (as you’ve said), how does even aino ben yomo help?

I never said the cholov akum makes the utensils treif, I said it in a general sense; I would not call cholov stam treif. Besides the fact that there is more than one legitimate heter to rely on, R’ Moshe, although recommending one be machmir, clearly writes that one who relies on it is not a “m’zalzel b’issurim”. I dare say that referring to “cholov stam” as “cholov akum” degrades R’ Moshe and anyone who relies on the heter.

how does even aino ben yomo help?

Because b’dieved, an aino ben yomo does not make the food ossur, because the absorbed flavors become “pogum,” bad tasting.

How can (some) people who are makpid on only eating CY, not be makpid on the utensils (considering the above issue)?

Either because we assume that the keilim are aino ben yomo, or because they only accepted CY as a chumra, and excepted keilim. I don’t understand this second approach, but it seems to be common.

And are you saying you can eat pareve food made with dairy equipment together WITH your fleishig meal, or only 5 minutes after your fleishig meal?

It depends on whether the equipment was ben yomo or not, and, if I recall correctly, whether it’s in your mouth at the same time.

There is also a distinction between if the food was intentionally made to be served with fleishig, which is why I originally limited my response to manufactured items.

How can cy milk spoil faster if the only thing different about it is that it’s watched by a Jew??

It wouldn’t spoil as fast if it was in the refrigerator when he watches it.