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    bael teshuva
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    The Chofetz Chaim says to bring Mashiach we need to love everyone. Pray whoever you do not love should have the most Olom Haba.
    Please put this on the website and email everyone and put on social media.

    #2306984
    HaKatan
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    “The Chofetz Chaim says to bring Mashiach we need to love everyone.”

    He obviously did not say what you imply, because there is a mitzva to hate certain evildoers, as Dovid haMelech says in Tehillim: “Halo misanecha Hashem esna…tachlis sina saneisim…”.

    But sinas chinam is certainly wrong.

    #2307193
    Lemayseh
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    Huh?

    Source?

    #2314231
    DovidHamelech
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    The way to bring Moshiach is make absolutely everyone aware who the real Moshiach is.

    #2314720
    DovidHamelech
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    The way to bring Moshiach, is for Moshiach to come to Israel immediately. After Israel, Moshiach will go to the top of Mount Sinai. It can happen right now and if not right now then it must happen tomorrow.

    #2314970
    ujm
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    At the end of Shmiras HaLashon (Hilchos Rechilus 9:15), the Chofetz Chaim writes that the prohibitions against Lashon Hara and Rechilus do not apply to reshaim and kofrim and that it is, in fact, a mitzvah to mock such persons:

    “מצוה לפרסם דעתם הכוזבת לעיני הכל ולגנותם, כדי שלא ילמדו ממעשיהם הרעים.”

    “It is a mitzvah to make their false opinions public before all, and shame them so that others do not learn from their evil deeds.”

    “החפץ חיים בהלכות לשון הרע כלל ח’ סעיף ה’ – אומר: “אותם האנשים שמכירם שיש בהם אפיקורסות מצווה לגנותם ולבזותם בין בפניהם ובין שלא בפניהם”.

    ובהמשך- “אפיקורוס נקרא הכופר בתורה… ואפילו הוא אומר כל התורה כולה מן השמים חוץ מפסוק אחד…”

    #2315027
    DovidHamelech
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    The beginning of the Geulah will start on the 16th of September if Klal Yisroel lets it happen. And Klal Yisroel can and will make it happen!

    #2315046
    somejewiknow
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    loving reshayim is another type of “sinas chinam”. we must hate those who hate Hashem.

    #2315053
    ivory
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    Yes. All Jews who are keeping torah and mitzvahs must love each other. There us no obligation to love open sinners.

    #2315092
    Gadolhadorah
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    Seems like some are preoccupied with rationalizing hatred and speaking lashon harah with respect to those they regard as “reshaim and kofrim” than building achdus within klal yisroel. I guess its important to have an enemies list so you know whom not to treat with respect.

    #2315338
    yichusdik
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    I see that the concept of Ahavas Yisroel is still having a hard time finding its place here, after all of these years .

    Ivory: Where is your source? The forefather of the Moshiach, Dovid Hamelech, transgressed both privately and befarhesiyah. He was called out, and he did teshuva. Were his subjects and those who came after not obliged to love him? We all transgress. Sometimes we do it because we think its right or justified, sometimes we are ashamed of it. But each one of us does it, openly and not. You would have us hate each other and ourselves. That is a miserable existence. I can’t presume like so many do, to know what hashem wants of us. But he didn’t create us for misery.

    somejewiknow: How do you know someone hates hashem, unless they actually say “I hate hashem?” The truth is you don’t know. And let’s say they did make that statement. Even then, the Truth is, you still don’t know. You don’t know anything about them, you don’t know anything about their losses, or challenges, or upbringing, You don’t know the balance sheet they may have full of Mitzvos and sacrifice. You don’t know what tzaar might have brought them to that statement – speak to a survivor of the Shoah, and you might begin to get a clue. Actually, you may know nothing at all, except the certainty of your own kedusha. As for loving reshayim; We say in the Hagodoh every single year that the rosho is at his father’s seder table. His father might be justly angered by his son, but he loves him enough to have him at his seder. Who are you to define loving the rosho (who is your brother, or neighbor, or fellow Jew) as sinas chinom? And even in the CC quoted by ujm, he didn’t advise one to hate the kofer or apikorus, rather, in the specific circumstances described, to mock their kefira.

    In a time of such danger for the Jewish people, and with such a revealed need for achdus, maybe, just maybe, you might consider letting the Dayon HoEmes be the one to judge Jews, rather than arrogating that responsibility for yourself.

    #2315423
    Menachem Shmei
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    All Jews who are keeping torah and mitzvahs must love each other. There us no obligation to love open sinners.

    Are you sure?

    What about the Gemara: ברור לו מתה יפה – because of ואהבת לרעך כמך for someone who is חייב מיתת בית דין, i.e. ignored עדים והתראה!!!

    Are you aware that there is much discussion on the matter?

    Why are you so eager to ignore the entire שקלל וטריא and rule out loving sinners, especially in our generation when most sinners are אונסים who must be brought close with love (as the Rambam writes regarding תינוקות שנשבו, see also Chazon Ish יו”ד ח”ב טז)?

    #2315428
    Menachem Shmei
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    At the end of Shmiras HaLashon (Hilchos Rechilus 9:15), the Chofetz Chaim writes that the prohibitions against Lashon Hara and Rechilus do not apply to reshaim and kofrim and that it is, in fact, a mitzvah to mock such persons

    UJM,

    I would be very careful to research when and with whom these halachos apply.

    Eliyahu Hanovi and Yeshayohu Hanovi were punished for speaking disparagingly about Jewish IDOL WORSHIPERS (the real kind) – because “אין הקב”ה רוצה במי שאומר דילטורייא על ישראל”.
    (שהש”ר פ”א, ו (א). רש”י ישעי’ ו, ו. ועוד)

    The Rambam writes that if such great tzaddikim were punished, how much more so a קל מקלי העולם who dares to condemn so many Yidden as פושעים ורשעים וגויים ופסולי עדות וכופרים בה’ אלהי ישראל.
    (אגרת השמד פ”ב)

    I would err on the side of speaking positively about Jews.

    #2315438
    ujm
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    Dorah: Are you taking objection to they the Chofetz Chaim said, in my above cited quotations?

    Perhaps you should write your own Seforim, disputing the Chofetz Chaim.

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