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July 8, 2010 2:31 pm at 2:31 pm #591927ef613Member
Hello All.
B’H my wife and I have 4 children, 3 boys and a girl ranging from ages 10 months -6 yrs. the 3 oldest are boys, while the youngest is a girl. Our 2nd child has been more difficult than the others, not just since birth, but increasingly in the last year.
Since birth he has always been very sensitive, always crying for prolonged periods of times, always preteding he doesnt care about anything. Running to his room and remaining confined for prolonged periods. Since our daughter was born he has been hitting his younger and older brother non stop. My wife and I were quick to blame this on the fact that he just started attending an all boys playgroup in september (right around the time his baby sister was born). We were also quick to label his sensitivities and requirements as “middle child syndrome”.
My questions are-
1) What exactly is “middle child syndrome” ? Does it exist
2) Besides for extra love and attention, any advice on what else we can do for this child?
3) our Rebe said that he thinks his issues with hitting are not playgroup related, but rather a jelousy of the 4th child being born- if thats teh case, any advice?
July 8, 2010 2:54 pm at 2:54 pm #688686Tam Mahu OmerMemberI think it is no shaychus middle kid syndrome. Im yirtzeh Hashem you’re going to have more kids and he’ll be second oldest! Middle child is when you have a family with teen kids, pre teens, kids, toddlers, and a baby and there’s one kid in the middle who’s left out. That doesn’t seem to be the case.
July 8, 2010 2:55 pm at 2:55 pm #688687aries2756ParticipantHow old is he? Have you tried to give him some one on one time? Yes some kids are more sensitive than others, and some are more closed up than others and need more encouragement to open up about their feelings. It is however important to spend time with them and allow them to talk about their feelings and what is going on with them, both at home and in school. Let him tell you what HE needs and why he seems to feel unhappy.
Riding in the car is one of the best times a kid opens up. Also bath time when they feel relaxed. It is also important to give each child some one on one time with each parent. So if you can arrange to take him out for ice cream, for instance, and just give him an hour one on one, he might start to open up about his feelings and his needs.
July 8, 2010 3:02 pm at 3:02 pm #688688ef613MemberHe seems to be a very happy kid most of the time, his morah in playgroup agrees. Whenever we ask him what he did in school he always keeps it short and curt “Nothing” or “Im not telling”. I agree, one on one time is a great idea. How often do you suggest one on one time? once a week ? FYI, he just turned 5.
July 8, 2010 3:04 pm at 3:04 pm #688689SJSinNYCMemberFirst, do you spank or potch? If so, the hitting could be a behavior he learnt from you (I’m not saying it is, just posing the question).
Also, its important to teach him to deal with his feelings. Start helping him label his feelings (“I get frustrated when older brother gets to do things first” or “I get upset when younger brother takes my toy” or things like that). The more he can verbalize his frustrations, the less he will tend towards non-verbal communication (which hitting is).
Don’t discount the playgroup – my friend’s son just switched and a lot of his negative behavior went away. Does he like to go to playgroup? Does he want to avoid it?
I definitely second the alone time. Its really important for your kids to feel like they can be heard as individuals. That goes for all your kids, but this one especially.
July 8, 2010 3:10 pm at 3:10 pm #688690Be HappyParticipant“Your sister loves you so much I know she will delighted for me to give you clics”, felts or whatever he might enjoy.
Praise helps too.
Check he is sleeping and eating enough and happy at hs play scheme.
I would also recommend having his hearing and sight checked.
Hatzlocho, Keep Cool.
July 8, 2010 3:20 pm at 3:20 pm #688691ef613MemberSJSinNYC I do not poch or smack. His morah said his playgroup is very very aggressive, one of the worst she’s seen. He doesn’t dislike going- I’m sure he takes plenty of abuse there from other kids.
I should also note, when he was potty trained, he was never trained thru the night, he has accidents i would say 1 out of 3 nights, and it really hurts his self esteem.
July 8, 2010 3:35 pm at 3:35 pm #688692SJSinNYCMemberHe is likely picking up the negative behaviors from playgroup and acting out on them.
What we do (my son is 2, so I’m not expereinced with older kids, but the concept should work) is that when he hits his little brother (9 months and it happened twice) is we do a modified time out.
I put him in the corner, sit down on the floor and we talk. I talk about hitting and how it hurts and how he doesn’t want to get hit. How we have to treat each other nicely. Then I also figure out what triggered it by asking questions. Did the baby take a toy you wanted? If he says yes, I’ll give him suggestions on what to do next time like say “Can I please have the toy?” I also make sure to make him verbalize WHAT he did wrong and to repeat the solution.
About potty training – are you giving him liquids close to bed? Also, wake him up before going to sleep so he uses the bathroom. He will be much less likely to have an accident.
July 8, 2010 3:59 pm at 3:59 pm #688693lmParticipantI raised a large family K”H and my children were all very well adjusted and loving to each other. There was no need to Patch or punish, above all I never raised my voice, always speaking calmly, (our neighbors could not stop admiring us they never heard yelling from our house). It is very important never praise or show accesively love and affection in front of the other children. This is very painful for a sibling to watch. Try it, you will see a tremendous difference.
Our children are all married by now and raise their own families, Each have their own Mazel, some are well off, others have less.
There is B”H no Machloikes or jealousy,no difference among sisters or sister-in-laws on the contrary they are always helping each other out, The main think is Daven to Hashem.
Good luck,
July 8, 2010 4:31 pm at 4:31 pm #688694ef613MemberSJSinNYC- we try to not give him liquid 2 hours before, and my wife comesi n while he’s sleeping and takes him. Sometimes he makes it, sometimes it’s to late, and sometimes even with the late bathroom, it doesn’t suffice.
Another question to throw out there is that it seems consensus is this child needs alone time with myself and my wife- How do we go about giving this special attention without making the older child feel neglected?
July 8, 2010 5:57 pm at 5:57 pm #688695bptParticipantI think the main thing to keep in mind is, he’s only 5! Middle, end, oldest, he’s a little kid growing up in a very big world.
The best thing you can give him now is private time. No “tell me what happend today” no, “what are you feeling right now”; just time spent away from the rest of the family. And not when you / spouse is running errands. Real time (even as little as 15 minutes) devoted to him alone. Make a point of telling him you’re shutting your cell phone, becuase you don’t want to be disturbed (not sure if a 5 year old can grasp the cell phone part, but with kids being as savvy as they are today, he just might).
But as LM (and others will concur) Daven, daven, daven! (FYI – my batch is teens and above, and I still rely on syata dishmaya for the rough spots)
Hatzlocha!
July 8, 2010 6:03 pm at 6:03 pm #688696SJSinNYCMemberWhy not make sure to get along time with each of them?
So, sunday morning you take the older one to a lake and sit and talk a little bit. Sunday evening you take the younger one to a nearby park.
Or even just doing an errand together, going to the backyard, doing laundry. You can give them each a chore to do with you to help out (even if it ends up taking more time). DOn’t pick something noisy like vacuuming though.
July 8, 2010 8:03 pm at 8:03 pm #688697aries2756ParticipantIt is important to take turns with each and give each alone time and each should know that “now is “x” time to go alone with mommy or tatty. Make a calendar so each gets to see when it is their turn with each parent. On their turn let them choose what they would like to do for instance go for ice cream, go to the park, take a long ride in the car, go for a walk, etc. There won’t be jealousy because each one will know that their turn will come.
It is also important to have “house” rules. WE don’t use foul language and we don’t hit in this house, there is a time out for anyone who hits, no questions asked. And have a special place and chair for the time out, with a timer. When the time is over sit down and ask the child or both children what the disagreement was about, why they chose to hit, and what they could have done differently instead of hitting. This can be done with any issue such as taking another child’s toy, ripping a book, so on and so forth. The time out is used to both calm down the child and calm down the parent so they don’t lash out in anger with a million and one hurtful comments and consequences they can’t follow through on. So in addition to the time out for children it is important for parents to take two breaths before reacting.
Getting back to the sensitive child, one must allow a child to feel what they feel because feelings are not right or wrong they are just there, so the point is to get to the root of the feelings. Why are they being so sensitive? What is the basis? Is there a lack of self-confidence or self-esteem? Do they think less of themselves than of their siblings? Do they think their sibling is smarter, stronger, bigger, more capable? Is he being bullied in school?
You might be teaching him not to fight and he isn’t, but the kids in school are being so aggressive that he is confused. Everyone else is being “normal” and he is being a sissy or acting like a girl. So how exactly is he supposed to behave. Unless you ask him about what is actually going on in his class, who his friends are and what goes on, you are not going to hear his side of things, his views on the subject and what is really going on his his heart and in his mind.
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