Cheating by Eating Cholov Akum

If you hold that Cholov Stam is prohibited, that’s your business. Certainly if you were in American 150 years ago, all milk had to be considered non-kosher (back in the era when middle class people owned their own cows, and milk sold in stores was sold by “quality” depending on what it was diluted with).

He holds OU-D is cholov akum mamish.

In that case how can you trust the OU for anything?

That’s silly. Just because you disagree on a specific halacha, doesn’t mean you don’t trust them. Beis Hillel and Beis Shammai used to tell each other which people were mamzerim or pagum according to each other’s halacha.

I wouldn’t trust anyone that gave a hechsher on chalav akum mamish. There is a big difference between not using a kula and not accepting its existance.

I wouldn’t trust anyone that gave a hechsher on chalav akum mamish. There is a big difference between not using a kula and not accepting its existance.

The OU doesn’t lose credibility for relying on a kula from R’ Moshe Feinstein Zt”l and being clear about it.

Even if some don’t agree with R’ Moshe.

Just because your posek only eats glatt meat; it doesn’t mean that you are eating treif when you eat meat that is OU non-glatt.

You all need a bit of clarification on a number of points.

1) OU-D does NOT mean it is dairy. OU has no Parve but made on “Dairy Equipment”. OU-D means it may have milk products or it simply may be parve but was made on dairy equipment. Unfortunately, the only way to tell the difference is to read the ingredients.

2)HaRav Moshe Feinstein was America’s greatest posek and gadol hador. He paskened for the United States and Canada on many complex and major halachic issues that dwarf the issue of cholov yisroel. Believe me, even HaRav Eliyashiv and ZTL HaRav Shlomo zalman Auerbach considered HaRav Moshe as a truly great and equal posek and even when they disagreed with him, they agreed that he paskens for America and they pasken for Eretz Yisroel and Americans should listen to his psak. If you can rely on HaRav Moshe’s psak in severely complex issues, he can be relied upon for less chomur issues.

3) HaRav Moshe paskened that “Yediyah is K’Rieyah”. The absolute knowledge that milk has to be Kosher in that it has come solely from cows, is halachically equal to seeing the milk being milked directly. In other words, what people call cholov stam is actually according to the psak of HaRav Moshe actually halachically cholov yisroel as Yediyah k’rieyah. HaRav Moshe held that for chinuch purposes, schools, institutions and families when able, should use cholov yisroel in order for children to know that outside of the United States hashgacha on milk is an absolute requirement.

4) No one claims that cholov akum is kosher.

5) It is very easy for anyone to claim additional chumros and be mivatel what they perceive as kulos. Chazal come out harshly against those who behave this way as it destroys Kllal Yisroel as not all can withstand endless chumros. It makes Hashem’s Torah unpalatable to the rabim and creates machlokes and sinah. Never ever should someone even suggest to impugn the psak or character of HaRav Moshe Feinstein, a posek of a caliber that one sees if fortunate, once in a lifetime.

Dr D: You can’t assume if you don’t see a dairy ingredient, that an OU-D product is merely “dairy equipment”.

And Rav Moshe himself recognized that other poskim could disagree with him and that some would follow others on other issues. Do you use a timer on an air conditioner on Shabbos, even though Rav Moshe held it impermissible?

“3) R’ Moshe still recommended cholov Yisroel (in the classic sense).”

He didn’t. Rav Moshe said that one who wants to go beyond the halacha (lifnei m’shuras hadin) may eat cholov Yisroel (in the classic sense).