Chayiv Misa

yes

the differences are generally in matters of tznius

for example a man has his chest uncivered for skelah, not a woman, discussed in Makkos

but dont take this as a surety, i have a slight feeling i might be getting two different inyonim mixed up, but i think what i said is correct

hopefully there will be some well informed discussion here

interesting

for sure chevra but that is her hair, and there is a machlokes about what else, the Pasuk says that the Kohen Godol tears her garment, but to what extent isnt clear.

for example a man has his chest uncivered for skelah,

It’s a machlokes in the gemara in Sanhedrin:

One opinion is that a man is covered in front with a small cloth and a woman is covered in front and in back.

The other opinion is that a man is stoned naked and a woman clothed.

The other major difference (vis a vis skilah) is that if the person is hanged afterward (as is done for some sins), only a man is hanged. A woman is not hanged.

Otherwise, the procedure is the same — and, in all events, the court case itself is carried out identically regardless of the gender of the defendant.

The Wolf

TheChevra

Ok so they reveal the skin of her chest thats opposite her heart but it says they tie a rope above her breasts so that her clothing stay on. I dont believe theres actual nudity involved. Maybe theres the kind of viewage you see today by some non Jewish women who wear plunging necklines but no nudity was visible. I could be wrong. But so it seems from reading what you cut and pasted.

I see some posters have B”H solved their problems with paying rent/mortgage, tuition for kids’ yeshiva/school, balancing their bank account, etc. and are left wondering if there is gender equality where execution by bais din in Talmudic times is concerned.

I see some posters have come to the foolish conclusion that it’s wrong to ask questions unless one’s life is perfect.

The Wolf

If memory serves me correctly, I believe the “statue of limitations” kicks in after conviction (and sentencing?). I forget what the time period is.

Before conviction there is no statue of limitations, and the accused can be brought to trial for the crime any amount of period after is occurred.

No, but there is a relationship to the statute of limitations. 🙂

Maybe I’m remembering wrong, but I do not believe there is a statue of limitations. In fact, I’m pretty sure that I recall that once he has been convicted, any two people who were present can later go to another bais din, testify that the defendant was convicted of a capital crime (along the normal rules of testimony) and the new bais din can execute him. The original witnesses need not be present and the original testimony need not be rehashed.

The Wolf

The “Statue” of limitations may be related to the “Statue” of Liberty, but the STATUTE of limitations is a LAW.

Papa-bar-abba; Who is being judgmental. I merely stated that I have more mundane things to worry about. When I will solve all of those earthly problems, I might start inquiring about philosophical situations.

myfriend; I DO learn Gemorah, sometimes. But Masechet Shabbos, which speaks of Hilchos Shabbos is in my set of Sha”s before Masechet Sanhedrin. Hopefully, I will one day get there, too. But meanwhile, I’m more interested in the practical Halachos of Shabbos before inquiring if there was gender equality in executions 2,000 years ago.

Wolf, is it an Aveira for you to support someone to bow to the statue of limitations:?)

Amazing !!! None of the scholars, pseudo-scholars and scholar wannabes noticed that Chayiv is mis transliterated

There is a ??? under the yud in ?????? ??????

Amazing !!! None of the scholars, pseudo-scholars and scholar wannabes noticed that Chayiv is mis transliterated

So what? It doesn’t change the essence of the conversation and it’s not as if the transliteration of the word is m’akev. 🙂

The Wolf

You could learn some things from dolphins….

Yoda say, when a good quote you do hear, question its veracity you do not.

Are you trying to say that if a mechallel Shabbos convict escaped after conviction but before execution, if he is caught 25 years later he can be executed?

I would have to learn the sugya again to be certain, but I believe that to be the case.

Of course, the rules of testimony in the new case are the same as in the old case. Two witnesses who witnessed the conviction would have to testify to the conviction (not to the actual chillul Shabbos).

And does it matter if he was convicted and sentenced by beis din (is there even a “sentencing phase”?) or if he escaped after conviction but before sentencing?

There is no sentencing phase. The penalty is already set by the Torah.

Indeed, upon conviction of a capital crime in beis din what is the procedure? Is he immediately taken to the place of execution, or are there other formalities first?

The convicted is taken for execution immediately. However, he is allowed to try to put forth new arguments for his acquittal. Each time he is returned to the Bais Din. However, after a few times, he is only returned if there is substance to his arguments.

The Wolf

Going back to the original discussion(or towards the middle).A Sotah Does not get unveiled to the public if she is a beautiful woman(if my memory serves me well).

When Moshiach comes and the Beis Din is restored, will there be such a thing as Jews sinning? Will there still be a need for misas beis din amongst Klal Yisroel?

As the Rambam famously states:

There is no difference between this world and the next except for the subjugation by the nations.

The Wolf

Wolf, et al,

Generally speaking as applied to criminal law:

Statute of limitations: a time period after the commission of an offense during which a defendant must be charged or he cannot be charged at all.

Right to a speedy trial: a limit of time after a defendant is charged when he must be tried or released.

In certain circumstances, the statute of limitations is tolled (paused)such as if the defendant voluntarily left in the state (somewhat more complicated than that, but you get the idea).

The right to a speedy trial is often waived to give the defense more time to prepare.

Note: while you are correct that this aspect of the Sixth Amendment does apply to the states, not every aspect of the Bill of Rights does. (Honestly, who here knew that?)