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Looking online to get a shas for my chasan; on a budget but I don’t know the first thing about the differences and what to look for and what’s okay and what’s not.
Anyone here have any advice or thoughts or can compare?
I’ve heard a lot about the Oz Vehadar but is that the only one out today that’s really nice?
Other ones I saw are the Vilna, Blum, Talman…
Also what’s the difference between the sizes? Medium, Large, Peninim… does it just mean that the type is bigger? Or are there more or less mefarshim?
I’d love to get the best best one but as I’m on a budget I’m forced to want to get one that’s the most acceptable to give for the cheapest price. If anyone has any thoughts on the matter that would be really great.
Typical Chosson Shas is full size, not medium or peninim. The typeset is larger.
Is Oz V’hadar more expensive than the new Vilna Shas? The NVS is beautiful. Does Talman have a new print? I wouldn’t buy a set of Shas nowadays that wasn’t completely computer typeset.
The Vilna Shas definitely looks the best on the shelf. The Oz VeHadar have some meforshim at the back that the Vilna doesn’t have (although every Mesechta has different meforshim). The Vilna also has some very useful additions, such as “Likutei Avnei Miluim” or “Chidushei Ramban”.
(Actually, the Talman {Kiddushin} has included a remarkable likut of Achronim (such as Mishne Lemelech, Shaar Hamelech, R’ Akiva Eiger shu”t, Minchas Chinuch etc.), which is excellent, but the rest of the print is unclear, and they haven’t got the same range of meforshim.)
An oz vehadar shas if you get the large one with everything in it is massive. You need a lot of space for such a shas.
I took a quick look online. The New Vilna Shas is less expensive than the Oz V’hadar, and unless you have the budget to offer a choice, I would go for it. It’s a beautiful set inside and out.
Mazel Tov!
if you shop at greenfield in boro park they have the new vilna shas for 775 and the oz vehadar for 850. They also have the bloom chosson shas there for 525. They have a website too. Best ones in my opinion are the new vilna shas and the oz vehadar. I personally prefer the new vilna because of the binding and the fact that they didn’t make any changes to the actual text to my knowledge.
I wonder if ZBerman (the New Vilna Shas is theirs) would be cheaper (stores; I think .com is under different ownership).
We got the Oz Ve’hadar Peninim. My husband did some research online but ultimately wanted to go in store to see what it looked like before buying. He is sleeping now, but I will ask him later, bli shevua, what the differences are and what he recommends for someone on a budget (as we were, btw).
if you find out that its cheaper I would love to know.
Looking online to get a shas for my chasan; on a budget but I don’t know the first thing about the differences and what to look for and what’s okay and what’s not.
How about an online shas? Like an Otzar Hachochma package?
Give him the choice.
I personally would choose the medium NVS.
I wouldn’t give him the medium until you ran that past him. Because “standard” is to give the large size and therefore should not be given unless he requests it. That being said many chassanim do not like the large because they are very big heavy and bulky and especially if he plans on bringing it to shul/yeshiva to learn is not so convenient . I will let you know that the oz v’hdar is the crem-de-la-crem, and also more expensive than most others. I hope this helped a little
I got my hands on a couple of masechtas of NVS in “chassan shas” size. I did not find it as bulky or awkward as I thought it would be and I enjoyed using them very much. I don’t think they’re as large and unwieldy as the older generation of chassan shas, but it’s a matter of preference.
I love the new Steinsaltz Vilna edition!
First of all since your son in law will be using the shas you should ask him which one he wants. Each one of my son in laws wanted a different shas One wanted Bermans . The second one wanted Moznaim’s and the third wanted Oz v’hadar. In the big picture the amount I’m spending on the wedding a few more dollars to get a shas he likes I think is worth it. Mazel tov!!!
The oz v’hadar mesivta shas set is, as WIY said really, really big! You will need lots of shelves to make room for this set, but if your husband wants clear printing and a lot of extra mefarshim you should go for it. It is fairly affordable, listed at around $850 at the site I checked.
Personally, I love the Nehardea shas set (by moznaim). I saw it listed at $785. It comes in 22 volumes and is very user-friendly.
ah yid, the OP is shopping for her chasan, not her son-in-law.
to jewish feminist02. Where I come from the parents pay for the wedding including the presents. I don’t think a kallah will be going into the seforim store. Of course the chosson and kallah give their input.
two considerations. are you going to EY after marriage? the shassin there are considerably cheaper, so if you are going wait till there to buy it. secondly, ask him. every printer has their own shtiks and what one person considers a maalah can be annoying to someone else. definitely find out from your chosson.
Why is there such a thing as chassan shas and not chassan Tur or Shulchan Aruch, or chumash, etc..?
Pixelate
Some people give tur and shulchon aruch as well.
rational: $800? The Neharde’a set was something like $400 at the YU Seforim Sale last year.
Actually, rf mentioned Oz Vehadar Mesivta. At $28 each ($38 for the large), and 135 volumes, I’ll take a few sets for $800 each.
where did you see the oz vehadar mesivta for that price – I would get it in a second
Found the Steinsaltz Vilna Edition online at seforimcenter for $1138.10. Worth every cent.
My husband LOVES the Mesivtas. We are building up a collection of them one volume at a time. I think we currently have about 30 of them.
He wanted a regular Shas as well because the Mesivtas don’t have the full set of meforshim in the back (such as the Rosh, the Rif, the Tosefta, and the Maharsha, as well as minor meforshim. My husband really likes the Ya’avetz and the Maharatz Chayes).
Oz Ve’hadar also produces an expanded version, which includes selections from the Rashba and the Ritva (or at least this was the case several years ago when my husband was in yeshiva).
Jbaldy22, rf must have meant the regular OV shas.
charliehall-
we heard it the first time. and ignored the comment. dont start
“…He is sleeping now, but I will ask him later, bli shevua, what the differences are and what he recommends….”
@jewishfeminist – impressive, it looks like you remember something most people don’t from the Gemara in Nedarim.
Thanks– all credit to my husband for teaching me that.
Tosefta is not a commentary on Shas.
Tosefta is one of the canonical texts of Torah She Ba’al Peh. It’s an additional tannaitic tradition (many of the beraitot in the Gemara are references to Tosefta that was redacted around the same time as the Mishna, and as a collection of such beraitot, it is generally arranged according to the same structure as the Mishna. (with the exception of Avot, Tamid, Middot, and Kinnim, every tractate in the Mishnah has a parallel tractate in the Tosefta, though the precise character of the content of the Tosefta tractate and its relationship to the material found in the Mishnah can vary radically).
Dayan Abramsky and the Grush Lieberman gave us the foremost commentaries on the Tosefta itself.
yitzchokm: He pointed out that the Shteinzaltz Shas is very useful to a lot of people. He’s not at all wrong. Just because you don’t like him for whatever reason (either anti-Chabad or the old controversy of changing the Tzura-which he backed off on) doesn’t mean that anyone promoting Shteinzaltz is trying to start a fight.
YitzchokM,
I know charliehall very well. He’s a talmid hakham and is noted for his hasmada. Instead of accusing people of picking a fight, why can’t you be grateful that there’s a Jew who has learned through Shas and who has given shiurim himself and who is a pupil of a rosh yeshiva?
My Shver got me the oz vhadar medium (brown set) and its beautiful.
My mistake. I should have said that the Mesivta doesn’t have the Tosefta or all of the meforshim in the back.
Believe me, my husband and I both know what the Tosefta is.
Many people from Orthodox day schools don’t learn about anything that the rebbeim deem to be “k’derech Revadim.”
You listed it as a perush on Shas, which it isn’t.
sam2, rebdoniel,
comon. do u guys really wanna go down that road?
is that enough for you?
Yitzchokm: I am not holding in the entire controversy, but was he ever personally called a Kofer (aside from being Chabad)? I know there were some strong bans on some books he wrote (and he said that the offensive material wasn’t written by him) because they took too cavalier an attitude towards Chazal, but that says nothing about him as a person nor his Peirush on Shas. If you can enlighten me as to where anyone actually called him an Apikores or said his Peirush on Shas was Assur (aside from the Tzuras HaDaf issue, on which he conceded), I guess I could stand to be more informed on this.
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yitzchokm-
Really? Is this correct? I thought the main problem was the change of the tzuras hadaf, and that nowadays everyone toned down, and it is acceptable now.
Also, is the new colorful Koren Shas also Shteinzaltz?
pixelate: Yes, it is. It’s good, but in my opinion it’s not better than the Artscroll. Decently close, though.
The “gedolim” of the 13th century also burned the Rambam’s works and accused him of heresy, and history and time ended up exonerating him.
Why do you put the word gedolim in quotes? Was Rabeinu Yonah not a gadol?
Because the term is nebulous and can be subjectively used. R’ Yonah Gerondi was a gadol, but so was the Rambam.
Of course they were both gedolim, in which case it wasn’t being used I. such a way as to require quotation marks.
smile 66: Mazel tov! I very recently got married, so I hope I can be of help. First of all, in response to ah yid, it is TOTALLY normal for a kallah to go into the seforim store and even PAY for the whole thing herself. Where I come from, it doesn’t all get taken care of by Mommy and Totty. To each their own. There’s no right or wrong with this. I didn’t pay for our set, but I did personally go and pick them up after several trips to the store to see if our set came in yet. It was very gratifying to bring it from the store to my apartment all by myself, knowing how happy my chassan would be to see it on the shelf.
Anyway, here’s my advice:
Chassan size is HUGE. Looks majestic, but can be difficult to learn from such a big sefer. Medium is quite large enough. Also, since HE will be learning from it – ask him what he wants. Chances are he knows exactly which set he wants, maybe even which size. (mine knew…) We got the Oz VeHadar, medium size, EXPANDED edition (Im Harbey Hosafos) – if it doesnt say Im Harbey Hosafos – then it won’t have all the many ‘additional’ meforshim. My chassan wanted it specifically because it had all the ‘extras.’ You said $500 is your budget? I don’t know if you have certain money set aside for other gifts as well, but perhaps you can designate some other gift money to go towards the shas instead. If not, very possibly your chassan would be glad to chip in $100 or $200 to get the shas he wants. Discuss it with him. This type of thing need not be a surprise. It’s a big purchase and he should be 100% percent happy with it (and then you’ll be happy too!).
Btw, if I remember correctly, I paid $690 at Tuvia’s for the medium size, expanded Oz Vehadar. It’s plenty big, it’s clear and pleasant to use, and my chassan/husband is really enjoying it!
Mazel tov and hatzlacha!
are you referring to tuvia’s in monsey?
again, just ask him about what size he wants, and which publisher. dont assume he wants smaller than chosson size, even if its huge. dont assume he wants the newest printing or the fanciest. ask HIM.
“You listed it as a perush on Shas, which it isn’t.”
For heaven’s sake. It was an unintentional error and I already corrected myself.
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