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The problem of integrating the fanatical secularists into a middle eastern society founded on holiness (kedusha) is deeply entwined with the Israeli politics, society and the possibilities of peace with the goyim.
The population of Eretz Yisrael consists primarily of Muslims (remember the East Bank, West Bank and Gaza are part of Eretz Yisrael) who will never agree to being ruled over, bossed around, and humiliated by being subject to rule by others – and all the more insulting since the others are sex crazed secularists trying to spread their perverse view of the world and impose it on others.
There are very few “Fanatical Secularists”
Someone might be a Chiloni, but it doesnt mean they are a “Fanatical Secularist” Most people lives their lives and dont bother other people and dont want to be bothered
“There are very few “Fanatical Secularists””
Is that a fact? There are at least as many as there are fanatical chareidim.
The whole yesh atid party and all their MKs are fanatical secularists, as are most of those who voted for them. Your whole WoW crowd are fanatical secularists.
akuperma:
I read the letter, and ironicly, the writers puppet your thoughts that the Charaidim have been sucessfully able to leverage their political power to their monetary advantage, and are now paying the price of having such payments with strings attached.
I could have seen you as the author.
You obviously dont know what a Fanatical Secularist is.
A Fanatical Secularist is someone who files lawsuits against religion (Like Fighting “Under God” in the Pledge) who might sue a Yeshiva for discrimation because there are no women in charge or might sue a Rabbi because they wont marry a same gender couple.
Someone who drives to the Beach on Shabbos never goes to Shul , never speaks to a rabbi but doesnt care if other people do is secularist, but not a fanatical Secularist.
zdad- i dare you to walk around the secular parts of tel aviv in a kippa (if you wear one) and tzitzis hanging out. if you do that AND you arent spit at and cursed out, besides being treated like second class, then come back and talk.
Ive done it and it wasnt a problem. They dont bother me.
At some point they figure out I am american and they want to start to speak english to me
And this happens in Dzengoff St
Ive met Chilonim in Europe as well (I had a hat on) and when I spoke to them in Hebrew they asked where I learned it and I told them I was Dati and they still spoke to me and kept telling me how much I need to come to Israel and what a beautiful place it is. And they were surprised to find a jew who speaks hebrew in Europe and they were happy.
toi- you obviously don’t live in israel. Your head has been turned by the incessant neturei karta propaganda that the frum jews are persecuted in “secular’ israle, when just the oppposite is true.
And, in any case, don’y yo uthink that it is exactly whan a frum jew should do- show true jewish custom everywhere?
zd: they probably didn’t see any difference betwe. you and other seculars walking in tel aviv.
rob- actually i live in yerushalayim. where do you live?
youre retarded if you think that im influenced by nk, and i am speaking from personal experience.
i dont understand your last comment.
Zd,
I gave you very specific examples of individuals who do just those acts.
Don’t tell me I do not know what a fanatacial secularist is.
I will tell you that with your secular college (sic) education, you seem to lack basic reading comprehension.
I read your statement perfectly
Do you consider Dov Lipman and Shai Piron “Fanatical Secularists”
Not just me, anyone with any sense knows they are.
They are the very definition of fanatical secularists. How can you think anything other than that. By your own definition. You can check each item off, for each of them.
I guess you know better than Rav Aharon Feldman the Rosh Yeshiva of Ner Yisroel where Dov Lipman got his Smicha from who while not agreeing with him only said he was misguided.
Rav Feldman did say that he belived that Dov Lipman was working L’Shem Shamayim (even if he disagreed with him)
Don’t talk about his Smicha, because the Yeshiva says that he is obviously not following the Hashkafos of the Yeshiva and Lipman clearly does not act in accordance with the terms under which he recived his Smicha.
And R’ Aharon Feldman said that the Lipman thinks he is doing L’shem Shomayim, not that he is L’shem Shomayim. A Rosha he may not be, but he is certainly no tzaddik. A difference that is too subtle for a secular college education.
Regardless, that does not change the fact that he is a Fanatical Secularlist, R Ahron Feldman has not said otherwise.
Nishtdayngesheft, I agree with one thing — you’d sure know what “fanatical” means. Btw, I do not agree with the abovementioned graduate of Ner Yisroel.
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