character vs policy Which is more important?

Common- if you are more focused on speaking than responding it is a feasible technique. Not exclusive to him of course but does prove the point.

Syag, what a lark. Your name is hypocrisy and your statements are nonsense. Clinton was the most self serving president? Clinton this and Clinton that. Did you forget Clinton left office about 20 years ago.

I guess it must be some luxury to live in an world from 20 years ago. The rest of us have to live in reality, where the most self serving person to ever be president is up for reelection tomorrow (not Clinton).

Biden wins in the character department that much is clear.

As to policy, we can debate that, but frankly why bother. You are as partisan in your comments as anyone I have ever seen, so little reason to think there is any debate with you, rather just a stating of opinions (and in your case you state opinions as facts, which is just annoying and makes having a discussion frustrating).

Can someone explain to me how Trump gets compared to Avraham, who came on his own to recognize Hashen and showed caring for every human being even pleading for Sedom, compared to Trump who contributed to death of 230,000 Americans and does not care about peoples economic suffering?

When it comes to abortion or same gender relationships there is an option of not follow it, but the one contrubutes to the deaths of more than 230,000 people and wanting to fire who wants to stop it, rather advocatiing the stupid idea of herd immunity which will kill an enornous more peole and violating the principle of the Torah, pikuach nefesh supersedes everything, violates the prohibition of lo saamod al dam reacha and he not be voted for.

AJ – you’re so silly! Of course Trump is responsible for all 230,00 deaths! The absolute proof for this is the 0 death count in all the other countries of the world where trump is not in charge. Duh!

ENS -“Biden wins in the character department that much is clear.”

LOL! You mean s/o who Abuses a Young Girl in his Senate office is A-OK?
How about s/o who threatens to hold back US money from Ukraine, unless they Fire the Prosecutor investigating Bursima?
How about being a Partner with Commy China?
You Sure have a Different opinion, than Most People, what a Decent Character is!

@syag – not going to respond directly to your points. They pop up all over the place here and they just make so many assumptions that people should see through. Once again you bring up Bill Clinton, which frankly, I suspect your main source of info on him has been Hannity and Limbaugh, two people who have defended themselves form libel suits by claiming to be entertainers and not presenting facts. Keep it up. How bitter does someone need to be to still live in the world from 20+ years ago. Just remember the vote today is between Biden and Trump, not Clinton.

@Health – You make a number of claims. I can respond to each of them but will just respond to your Ukraine one, as it illustrates the lies you and, I think, all Trump supporters have bought into. In Jewish tradition it is taught that Hashem hates lies so maybe you should think twice before spreading them.

The actions Joe Biden took with Ukraine, with withholding the money so they should fire the prosecutor, was 100% US policy at the time and was supported by other countries the US was working with. He did what he was supposed to and regardless of what conspiracy you want to make out of this, his actions were clearly proper. There was no crime or improper action here. If you think there was, show your evidence. Hannity or some other conspiracy theorist spreading lies is not evidence.

If you can persist in spreading this ridiculous lie I see no reason to take much of anything you say seriously..

“Second – i don’t listen to radio or read/watch non jewish news so… I guess this emes thing isn’t working out too well for ya.”

This is too funny… lol…

And where do you think all the “Jewish” news sources get their news from. Basically, you are just regurgitating whatever Hannity says. Like him, you assume your opinions are accepted as facts. They are not.

But yet again, bring up Clinton. Just a reminder he is out of office about 20 years ago. But, I see, it was first “common saychel” and then “syag” who both felt a need to bring up Clinton.

You were not responding to anyone about Clinton, rather go back and read the comments you brought up Clinton. Kind of interesting this fascination you have with Clinton, it is like you forgot that we had 8 years of Bush, then 8 years of Obama, and now almost 4 years of Trump.

Maybe time to move on and stop living 22 years ago (number of years the impeachment was). Speaks volumes about your strong partisanship. Nothing about Clinton. You know, when I think back on Clinton, it makes me sad, as when I was younger I used to listen to Hannity and only partisan news sources, like you, and as a result I grew up believing lies that a minimal effort to get the facts would have shown to be lies. It was only after Trump came to office and his cheer of lock her up began to bother me that I actually went and started looking up the details behind all these supposed crimes Clinton was engaged in. The conclusion I reached, was that I had been lied to and the crimes were just conspiracies concocted by Hannity and Limbaugh and nothing more.

Maybe time you stop posting so much drivel and go make the effort to see the sources where those telling you lies got their info from and see if the facts support those conclusions. I have yet, ever in my life, to have met a person who made an honest effort who still believes the lies of Hannity and Limbaugh. Entertainers who themselves admit their shows are not about presenting factual information. Rather, what I see, is people like you, who make no effort to see the truth from the lies and then go posting and talking making believe you are taking the high-road because you so dearly believe the lies you have absorbed.

Like the famous statement syag lchochma shtika, your comments have shown that rather than a thinking person who makes the effort to get the facts you just repeat in your own way the lies you have been told. Maybe take your screen name to heart.

I don’t understand why discussions like this ignore all the solid Republican conservatives, Bush, Romney, Bolton, Tillerson, etc., some of whom have worked closely with Trump and who feel that Biden is clearly the lesser of the evils. These are people who are concerned with results, who probably find it very hard to endorse a Democrat, but still feel that Trump is a clear and present danger. Why don’t we listen to their opinions?

ENS -“One did it in accordance with proper US policy”

Which policy was that? You’re saying Obama told Biden to withhold $ from Ukraine, until they Fired their Prosecutor?!?
This is the First Made Up Story that I’ve ever heard like this.

@health, you can read the articles written in plenty of major papers at the time (when the guy was fired) which consistently support that firing this prosecutor was a major goal of the US and other countries donating money to Ukraine. If you think Obama was not aware of what Biden was doing you are simply in denial.

This is such a non-issue that you bringing it up is simply a poor reflection of any ability by you to separate fact from conspiracy.

Trump, withheld money and wanted Ukraine to announce an investigation into Biden in order to hurt Biden’s election chances. That is corruption. Seems like Trump understood that Biden could beat him in an election. One thing Trump got right!

@Health, intelligence is being able to keep multiple points in mind at once so you can connect the dots. Arguing this with you is pointless, if you are unable to keep multiple points in your mind at once.

Going back to the questions originally asked…

As to character… Just look at the two of them. Joe Biden, not tweeting crazy stuff claiming the election is being stolen or going to court. Trump on the other hand saying an election is being stolen via fraud and making up all sorts of fake stuff. Have you read comments from Trump supporters on Brietbart and other extremist sites? You have people talking about committing violence in response. So when you say character or policy, what about Trump’s lies potentially leading to radicalized right-wing extremists who are willing to commit deadly violence (remember Oklahoma City, it was a white right-wing nut). I sure hope your inevitable response about how this is just fear-mongering is correct, but I fear we will be dealing with right-wing extremists willing to use violence for the next decade or two as a result of Trump’s destabilizing actions in response to the election.

Here we have the President of the US showing off his great patriotism and sterling character.

The Trump campaign released a statement Thursday, saying:

“IF YOU COUNT THE LEGAL VOTES, I EASILY WIN THE ELECTION! IF YOU COUNT THE ILLEGAL AND LATE VOTES, THEY CAN STEAL THE ELECTION FROM US!”

Dor,
1. I do not think that he has done any of the four avodot to himself.
2. Adultery is only with a married woman. Moreover, if she is not Jewish the minute she walks out she is considered divorced. As for gilui arayot, for a ben Noach there are only six. He certainly has not been with a man or a prohibited (to a ben Noach) relative.
3. Using bad language is not birkat Hashem. He would have to say something along the lines of “Yossi should whack Yossi”).
4. His COVID policies, if wrong are at most gramma.
5. You can consider whatever you like to be stealing. That doesn’t mean that the Halacha does.

Reb Eliezer, that statement of the Akeidas is obviously lashon guzma. This is very common. For example, Chazal say that embarrassing someone in public is like killing him but no one suggests that a person who does it is chayav skila.

Yytz, a ben Noach can be executed for violating any of his mitzvot. The king can also execute anyone who violates one of his decrees. Rambam (Hilchot Melachim 2:8) says even house arrest or making an illegal turn. He can certainly have people locked up. What about Kamala Harris? She was severely reprimanded by a judge for her behavior as a prosecutor.

The fraudulent voters did magic. They lied and stole votes from president Trump but for senators and congressman they were ok voting republican. lol
Even republican politicians are on Fox News saying that there is no evidence of fraud that can overturn the election. McConnell and Graham are some of them.
He will not be president. He has no hold over anyone anymore. They finally feel like the chokehold is gone. Every day more and more will turn against him. His base isn’t even out protesting. They know what nonsense this is.
As for the uneducated and blind YWN Trump supporters, have fun wasting the next few months following the nonsense that will come of nothing.

Yytz -“Trump has been credibly and publicly accused of sexual assault by over 20 women…
Noahides or the king may technically be allowed to use the death penalty for anything (if necessary to perfect the world) but of course the ideal is the Torah system with all its procedural safeguards and restrictions, which execution in only rare circumstances, and according to one opinion in the Gemara, only once in 70 years”
Avi K is absolutely Right!
Did you ever learn in a Yeshiva?
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Yytz -“Fortunately you’re wrong. Rabbis today have a variety of opinions about whether and how much the death penalty should be used by non-Jews today”

I’m Not wrong!
I’m just quoting the Torah/Halacha.
Doesn’t mean that there aren’t Rabbonom that don’t give Heterim.
Do you know the difference between a Heter & Halacha?!?

“Health, what would you want the government to do to Donald Trump if it were your daughters he assaulted?””

That’s fine.
I could use some of his $.

@smerel “If everything about Trump as a person was the same but he was on the Democratic side of the equation and Mike Pence (from the most moral of all people in American politics today) was on the Republican side , the media and the people lecturing to us about how terrible Trump is now would all be enthusiastically supporting him instead.”

I can’t speak for everyone, but for me and many of my associates, this is absolutely false. To explain and also respond to the idea that it’s the media making Trump look bad; no one has to say anything. He demonstrates all of his bad behavior himself! He’s a bully. A liar. A pervert. Self serving. Does not admit wrong. Doesn’t apologize. He mocks anyone that disagrees. He has little or no empathy. He has fired people for doing their job. Just about all his friends have been put in jail. Over 100,000 new cases of Covid have hit this country daily this past week. He is playing golf. Again, he has no empathy at all. So to answer your question, if he was a democrat (which arguably he was when he donated a ton of money to the Clintons and other democratic candidates), I would never ever vote for someone like him. I have voted both democrat and republican over the last 8 elections that I have been able to vote. I would reverse your logic and say that it is you who have been influenced by the media.