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December 16, 2012 12:37 am at 12:37 am #607445Torah613TorahParticipant
In the 3rd Bais Hamikdash, will there be Chanuka?
If so, how could they light 8 lights on the 7-branched Menorah?
December 16, 2012 12:51 am at 12:51 am #913381WolfishMusingsParticipantIf so, how could they light 8 lights on the 7-branched Menorah?
Why should it matter? The menorah in the BhM had nothing to do with Channukah. It was lit every day.
If Channukah is to be commemorated in the times of the third BhM, we will probably lit menorah in our homes, just as we do now.
The Wolf
December 16, 2012 12:52 am at 12:52 am #913382WIYMembertorah613613torah
You can ask the question better, what did they do the year after chanukah?
I think the Menorahs that chazal instituted for pirsumei nissah of chanukah were only in (front of) peoples homes. However in the mikdash which is not a private residence, they only light the regular 7 branch menorah.
December 16, 2012 3:01 am at 3:01 am #913383Torah613TorahParticipantThe Wolf: But wasn’t the mitzva in every home? And isn’t the BHMK our home?
WIY – Thanks. Great question. Now I am really curious! How did they light the year after? Does anyone discuss it?
December 16, 2012 3:15 am at 3:15 am #913384WolfishMusingsParticipantThe Wolf: But wasn’t the mitzva in every home? And isn’t the BHMK our home?
No. We don’t live in the BhM (as a residence).
The Wolf
December 16, 2012 3:18 am at 3:18 am #913385Torah613TorahParticipantThanks Wolf, that was a good answer.
However, I’m also curious about what WIY mentioned, whether they lit the Menorah in the BHMK the year after the nes, and if so how they did it for 8 days.
December 16, 2012 6:47 am at 6:47 am #913386CuriosityParticipantT613, they didn’t use the 7 branched Menorah to commemorate Chanukah. The Menorah was lit fully, each day, as a separate service of the Kohanim, and it has nothing to do with Chanukah. If there was any need to light a “Chanukiah” (8 branched menorah) in the BHM for Chanukah, like we do at shul, they would not have used the seven branched golden Menorah.
December 16, 2012 3:18 pm at 3:18 pm #913387Torah613TorahParticipantCuriousity – I see. So when they lit the Menorah, they just lit it for 8 days, not building up to 8 the way we do now. When it was destroyed, is that when it started being done at home? Did they light a Chanukiya at home as well?
December 16, 2012 3:29 pm at 3:29 pm #913388147ParticipantYesterday’s Haftoro of “Roni vSimchi Bas Zion” is generally taken to be referring to the 3rd Bais-haMikdosh, in light of the fact that the prophesies being prophesied by Zechariah did not transpire during the 2nd Bais haMikdosh, so refer to Haftoro of Neiros Zechariah to answer you queries about Chanukah at the 3rd Bais haMikdosh.
December 16, 2012 9:58 pm at 9:58 pm #913389Torah613TorahParticipant147 – that’s interesting, but I personally found the haftorah hard to understand.
December 17, 2012 12:23 am at 12:23 am #913390CuriosityParticipantT613, correct – they had enough oil for the 7 branched Menorah to last for a single day, but it lasted for 8 days. Thus, a flask which was supposed to fill 7 heads of the lamp filled 56 heads of the lamp. I am unsure when we historically started celebrating Chanukah, but I presume since it was to celebrate the miracle of winning the war, that it started the year immediately after the war was won – on the 25th of Kislev.
December 17, 2012 1:25 am at 1:25 am #913391midwesternerParticipantL’shana acheres kav’um va’asaum yomim tovim b’halel v’hoda’ah. – Shabbos 21b
December 17, 2012 1:57 am at 1:57 am #913392147Participanttorah613613torah
147 – that’s interesting, but I personally found the haftorah hard to understand.
Rav Berel Wein shlita has a tape on the Haftoro of Beha’aloscho A.K.A. Chanukah.
Curiosity I am unsure when we historically started celebrating Chanukah,
The Nes occcured either in 165BCE or 164BCE.
December 17, 2012 2:54 am at 2:54 am #913393Torah613TorahParticipantThank you.
December 17, 2012 12:18 pm at 12:18 pm #913394CuriosityParticipantYou are very welcome 🙂
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