Chalav yisroel

Yogurt has basically three types of sugars:

Lactose – a naturally occurring sugar found in milk;
Fruit (in fruit flavored yogurt) – a mix of sucrose, fructose and glucose;
Sugar – “free sugar” added.

When yogurt is made from skim milk or low fat milk, the companies often need to add sugar to compensate for the lost lactose sugar.

Not all sugars are to be treated equally and there is “bad” sugar that should be limited in our diets vs sugar that doea does not harm healthy people..

Even checking the nutritional facts for gm of sugar may not reveal the breakdown of the sugar sources.

The cholov akum yogurts vary widely in sugar content: The lowest supermarket brands have less than 5 gm sugar, while certain varieties of Dannon has 12 gm sugar, Stoneyfield has 24 gm, Yoplait has 27 gm,

To say cholov yisroel brands have significantly more sugar is simply factually inaccurate.

bk, there’s emes to that, yasher koach. But, still, he should have some busha that he ever ate it and not casually refer to it without acknowledging the error.

Joseph. Be dun lecaf zechus and not accuse falsely.
The person probably was looking to loose weight and started searching for yogurt low in sugar, at which point they realized that all the low sugar yogurts where not chuluv Stam.
This is not to mention that making someone feel bad for following the ruling of Rav Moshe Feinstein that chuluv Stam is fine, is also something one should not judge let alone make the accused feel bad about

Humor? I thought you were here for kiruv.

R’ Moishe’s hetter was limited to a specific situation only. unfortunately, it’s being used as a regular hetter. especially when its so easy to get cholov Yisroel.

These days American Yiden travel on vacation or business to various places and use the cholov akum there – places like the Caribbean Islands, Asia, cruise ships etc where there is NO government inspection at all. The michshal is tremendous! Many are used to drinling cholov akum and continue doing so without realizing the grave issur – and there is no heter outside of America (including South America or Central America)! For this reason alone one should be medayek on cholov Yisroel, something that our forefathers were mosser nefesh for in the Old Country.

Knaidlach: for which specific situation was R Moshes psak?

Reb Moshe clearly wrote that in a place where cholov yisrael is available you should not rely on his heter.

heargod
it seems that you didnt see the tshuva of R’ moishe permitting cholov stam but you are not asking anyone for a source as to where that teshuva can be found. and you are OK to rely on what you heard from someone that heard from someone etc. but for the limitation on the hetter you need a source…..
I dont have IGROS MOSHE next to me now.

Knaidlach: gedolei yisroel advised not to accept sttements in their name.

REb. G. dont know if our fore fathers were “moser nefesh” when it was relativelyy easy for one to walk to his neighbors farm to milk the cow as I heard from my neighbor who was born in a polish shtetl and survived the death camps.In fact , the pri megadim paskens that if the town does not raise non kosher animals one can trust all the milk.

Rebbitzen, use apostrophes, not backticks.

@Gadolhadorah, FYI, The OU has an article on this question, in which Rav Belsky CLEARLY PASKENS that the heter still applies today! if you want to see it for yourself, it’s called: Rav Moshe’s heter of cholov stam revisited.

What’s the heter for wine from a non Jew?
R Moshe felt that chalav company, as he called it isn’t chalav Akum. Do not call that relying on a heter.

What’s the heter for wine from a non Jew?

If it’s flash pasteurized, many poskim consider it mevushal, so you can drink it even if poured by a non Jewish.

“Anyone who drinks wine served by a non Jewish waiter is relying on a heter.”

Because some readers “pasken” based on the gedolim of the CR, a quick review of hilchos stam yainom:

The “heter” (or issur) is Yoreh Deah 124 which rules that if a non-Jew merely touched the bottle of wine, the wine is permissible. However, if the non-Jew touched the wine itself, with his hands or even his feet, all of the wine is prohibited.

If the non-Jew “shook” (shichshuch) the wine, in the times of the Talmud, ‘shichshuch’ was considered to be an act of pagan worship. Therefore, even if the non-Jew does not lift the bottle, if he shakes it, the wine is prohibited. Similarly, if he pours the wine into a decanter, or spins the bottle with a stick, that is also considered to be a form of shichshuch and the wine is prohibited.

The non-Jew gently moves the wine to put something else in its place. He rules, based upon the Beit Yosef, that if this happens in front of a Jew, this is considered to be “nianua kezat” and the wine is permissible.

When a non-Jew actually pours the wine. If he pours the wine into a cup, he may not drink or even derive benefit from the wine. Also, even the wine which remains in the bottle is prohibited, due to the concept of “nizok.” According to this rule, an uninterrupted flow of wine (nizok) from the cup to the bottle prohibits the wine left in the bottle.

The same would apply to wine which was poured by a Jewish person who publically violates the Shabbat, many poskim prohibit wine which was poured by a mechalel Shabbas b’farhesia.

These are serious and complex halachos – one cannot pasken based on “Sevoras HaBeten” (his own gut instinct) or “Regesh HaLev”.

@bk613, cholov stam is not a Modern Orthodox Thing, plenty of litvishe people eat it.

There are several Tshuvos where R’ Moshe Z”L restricts the usage of Chalav Hacompanies (as he called it) to times and places where Chalav Yisrael isn’t available. Recently, a such a letter a revealed for the first time. I’d upload it if I could, but I don’t know how to. It’s a handwritten letter in R Moshes own writing to a certain Reb Yitzchak Hoffman, who was shocked to see the Maimonodes Hospital serving Chalav Akum. When he asked them how they can do such a thing, he was told R Moshe allows it. So he wrote to R Moshe, and this is what R Moshe answered:
(It’s handwritten, and not easy to decipher, any mistakes are mine.)
ה’ מרחשון תשכ”ג
בדבר חלב הקאמפאנייס אף שיש טעמים להקל (….) שהוא רק במקום שליכא חלב ישראל שהוא תחת השגחת רבנים יראי ה’ אבל במקום שאיכא חלב ישראל שהוא בהשגחה וכדומה כל עניני חלב צריך להחמיר וכ”ש אלו שבבתיהם נזהרין לאכול רק מחלב ישראל שבהשגחה שצריכין (…..) גם שחשש ענין (נזהרים?), וממילא גם בהאספיטעלער (……….) במאכלי כשר שיש להם לתקן מה שאפשר להם בזה להשיג מאכלי חלב בהשגחה כי בפה נוא יארק ליכא בזה שעת הדחק.
ולכל הפחות ישיגו מאכלי חלב שבהשגחה לאלו שנזהרין בזה בבתיהם ולא לכשל אותם ח”ו שיאכלו שם (שום?) מה שנזהרים שלא לאכול.
נאום (חתימתו)

To those of you that have an issue with Rav Moshe’s heter, the non cholov Yisroel milks back then we’re not yet ou certified. Hence, he recommended Chalav Yisroel, if feasible and available.

Today however, ou certified milk is plentiful and this hashgacha is as good or better than cholov Yisroel.

You’re original statement was unconditional, implying that every case of mevushal wine is a heter.

I’m under the impression that almost all commercially “mevushal” wine is flash pasteurized.

To those of you that have an issue with Rav Moshe’s heter, the non cholov Yisroel milks back then we’re not yet ou certified. Hence, he recommended Chalav Yisroel, if feasible and available.

Today however, ou certified milk is plentiful and this hashgacha is as good or better than cholov Yisroel.

That’s a total fabrication. Even the OU acknowledges the validity of the position to be makpid on CY.

I may be wrong, but I don’t think R Moshe ever said not to rely on his heter. Similarly, he didn’t say that he doesn’t rely on it. He did say that for himself he is machmir.

I may be wrong, but I don’t think R Moshe ever said not to rely on his heter.

You are wrong. Rav Moshe writes that where CY is available, even at increased inconvenience and price (not significant), one should buy CY.

The heter is still valid, but he’s saying that where it’s not too difficult, one should not rely on it.

Who holds that flash pasteurized isn’t considered mevushal?

Rav YS Elyashiv zt”l, Rav SZ Auerbach zt”l, Rav BZ Abba Shaul, zt”l.