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  • April 7, 2014 6:25 pm at 6:25 pm #612531
    Chortkov
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    I don’t know if this is a diyyuk at all or just nothing, but there is a difference is Chad Gadya between “8” and all the other ones.

    By all the other numbers, the number is either a count of a period of something. 1 G-d, 2 Luchos, 3 Avos, etc. By number 8, however, there is no “8 Days of Milah”; Milah is on the Eighth Day! What does it mean ????? ??? ???? if the first seven days are of no relevance to the Mitzvah? There is 1 Day of Milah which happens to be when the baby is eight days old?

    Anybody seen/has a pshat?

    April 7, 2014 7:22 pm at 7:22 pm #1011458
    showjoe
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    I take it you mean echad mi yodea

    April 7, 2014 7:40 pm at 7:40 pm #1011459
    besalel
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    in fact, there are no 8 days of miluh. miluh performed in days 1-7 are no good while a miluh on days 8-infinity are valid. 8 days of channuka would have been better. maybe the song predates channuka.

    April 7, 2014 7:59 pm at 7:59 pm #1011460
    HaLeiVi
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    Dizavin Abba Be’echad Mi Yodea.

    April 7, 2014 8:52 pm at 8:52 pm #1011461
    Little Froggie
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    And the Froggie came…

    April 7, 2014 9:17 pm at 9:17 pm #1011462
    HaLeiVi
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    There is no reason for a Pshat. The song is about the significance of each number. The fact that this one is the eighth rather than, like the rest, one, two and three, is a reflection of the fact that this how numbers are mostly applied.

    April 7, 2014 9:54 pm at 9:54 pm #1011463
    Chortkov
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    Absolutely right – I meant Echad Mi Yodea (if Mods want to change, you can!).

    Besalel – I’m afraid I am not sure what you did there – answer my question, add to it or simply agree with me. Clarify?

    (BTW – It could be talking about the Mitzvas Milah of a Father-to-son according to some ?????, see ??????? ?? with Tos, Tos Rid, R’ Chaim.)

    April 7, 2014 10:33 pm at 10:33 pm #1011464
    👑RebYidd23
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    Well, the title certainly is misleading.

    April 8, 2014 1:24 am at 1:24 am #1011465
    sm29
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    While it’s done on the eighth day, the days leading up to it are important too. Maybe it’s hinting that. Just a thought.

    April 8, 2014 6:26 pm at 6:26 pm #1011466
    jewishfeminist02
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    I have no idea what the source is but I was taught that one of the reasons that milah is performed on the eighth day is that no matter what day of the week the baby is born, this guarantees that he gets to experience a Shabbos beforehand. From this perspective, the bris really is about all 8 days.

    April 8, 2014 10:34 pm at 10:34 pm #1011467
    Chortkov
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    sm29 – But are the days leading up to important?

    jewishfeminist – Experiencing a Shabbos beforehand does not make all eight days significant; in fact it does the opposite – the only significance in the number “eight” {according to this pshat} is that there should be a number “seven” involved! The other six days are totally irrelevant!!!

    April 8, 2014 11:44 pm at 11:44 pm #1011468
    👑RebYidd23
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    They are not irrelevant, or else we would skip them.

    April 9, 2014 8:02 am at 8:02 am #1011469
    YW Moderator-42
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    Because 7 ate 9

    April 9, 2014 9:13 am at 9:13 am #1011470
    Chortkov
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    Halevi – you are saying that the “Eight” can be a count (Eight of something) or just a description (the Eighth of Something). But that doesn’t answer the terminology used – ???? ??? ????, which means the Eight Days of Milah. This is not true; there is only one day which is on the Eighth day of the Babies Life? (Unless you ??? ????? the whole thing with some sort of poetic lisence)

    April 9, 2014 11:50 am at 11:50 am #1011471
    ED IT OR
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    I dont profess knowledge in kabbalah but the end of the seder has a lot of soid to it.

    April 9, 2014 1:26 pm at 1:26 pm #1011472
    HaLeiVi
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    No. I am saying that it doesn’t make a difference if the chosen significance is a count or a degree. The point of the Piyut is the significance, or Chashivus, of each number. Most examples are counts, since that is truly more abundant. So, the fact that only one entry uses the number as a degree rather than a count just reflects on the usage of numbers in general, in which a count is more common than degrees. But the point of all entries is the same, the significance of that number.

    April 9, 2014 7:05 pm at 7:05 pm #1011473
    Chortkov
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    Halevi – The ???? of ???? ??? ???? does not fit with that!

    April 11, 2014 12:33 am at 12:33 am #1011474
    ujew
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    Toras Aba brings an answer b’sheim R’ Chaim Kanievsky.

    The first 7 days have a halacha NOT to do milah (besides for the lack of a mitzvah to do it then) so there are 8 days of milah.

    April 11, 2014 12:55 pm at 12:55 pm #1011475
    Chortkov
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    Halevi – Just to “sweeten” your pshat a little – R’ Avrohom Gurvitz shlit”a in his Hagodda explains that the point of the piyut is to convey an important message to us. There is a famous psychological game about word association, where you say the first thing that comes into your head when you say a certain word. Different people associate different things. When I hear “one”, the first thing I think of is “two”. The paytan is telling us that Yiddishkeit should be first and foremost on our minds, not something secondary. “One” should automatically identify with HKB”H. “Two” should connote the Luchos. Etc. Therefore this is not a list of counts, it is just explaining how the connotations of any number should be how they relate to Yiddishkeit.

    Question: What is Yiddishkeit about “nine months of labour” or “seven days of the week”? [I don’t think it refers to Day 7 – Shabbos – as far as I know it means the Seven Week Days!)

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