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To Seichel
Congratulations you’re now officially a Christian since you believe in the Trinity, Hashem, Yaakov Avinu and Oso Harebbe.
To Lostspark
Are you ready to disassociate yourself from Seichel or are you too busy trying to shut down YU and Touro for producing doctors and lawyers? Whatever, it’s case closed, Chabad is idolatry. To Menachem Shmei checkmate dude.
@sechel83 In his letter, Rav Aharon Feldman makes a distinction between “Elokists” and “Meshichists”. He specifically refers to Meshichists as dangerous because they believe a dead man can be Moshiach. So there’s my one non-Chabad Rov thus fulfilling your request of “please bring one open statement from a non chabad rov that there’s something wrong with believing that a dead man can be Moshiach”
Nu? So I answered your query, have you answered mine? Have you found some random Rabbonim to talk to?
No qwerty I have given up. To declare all of ChaBaD idol worshippers and disparage the Rebbe says more about you and your sinas chinam. The level of hypocrisy you display going to a ChaBaD Shul is proof, you can’t even act on your supposed convictions.
The Rebbe Rashab is right sinas chinam rises from a place beyond sechel as observed in the lack of any intelligent replies to sechel’s sources.
What’s funny to me is how angry you are with ChaBaD, I would love to know where that stems from, probably no reasonable place. I would suggest picking up sn English copy of Cheichaltzu by the Rebbe Rashab and do the homework to discover why you hate fellow Jews so much.
“As far as I’m concerned every Lubavicher has the Din of an Elokistim because no one criticizes the maniacs like you and Cunin who claim that the Rebbe is god.”
Sorry for calling you out qwerty however now it seems like Lostspark has a point
If you believe ALL lubavitchers are עובד ע״ז then you can’t daven in a בית ע״ז,(ie a chabad house)
To Lostspark
You use the term “Sinas Chinam” inappropriately. Sinas Chinam means baseless hatred. The implication is that if one has a justifiable reason to hate another Jew(s) he is permitted and probably obligated to do so. Was Pinchas wrong for what he did? Quite the opposite. I have clearly proved that there is a substantial element within Chabad who are overt idolaters. Sechel has stated clearly that the Rebbe is god. Rabbi Cunin stated publicly that the Rebbe and not Hashem runs the world. This isn’t Korov to idolatry it is outright idolatry and since you refuse to condemn such statements one must conclude that you agree with them. If you don’t then answer my challenge and say that Sechel, Cunin and his adherents are idolaters and I renounce them. Of course you won’t do so because you’re too busy attacking YU and Touro. As for my position vis a vis the Rebbe. He was a Kofer and I’ve offered clear-cut evidence. One of my closest Rabbeim said, “The Rebbe’s Gaavah was so enormous he convinced himself he was god.” I know that you want to portray as this wild-eyed zealot who hates Lubavichers. If you saw me interact in Shul you’d have a very different picture. Everyone welcomes me when I come to shul in the morning because I daven for the Amud every day. Look most of my patients are Christians does that mean that I hate them because we have a different religion? I like most Lubavichers that I know as people but their religion isn’t Judaism AFAIC.
To Coffee Addict
Their are only three shuls in my neighborhood with daily minyanim. Two are Chabad and one is a YI with a Chabad Rabbi who I can’t stand. I won’t give up davening with a minyan and so I attend the shul I go to. I didn’t say that all Lubavichers are idolaters. What I said is that since no one repudiates those who openly state that the Rebbe is god it would seem that they should be judged as idolaters. Of course that’s not my call. Hashem has to make any such decisions and until our Gedolim pasken that one can’t daven in a place with Lubavichers I’m certainly permitted to do so.
“ The Chazakah is that all Lubavitchers are idolaters.”
“ I didn’t say that all Lubavichers are idolaters.”
Which is it buddy? Is only Lubavitchers at your ChaBaD house that aren’t idol worshippers?
“ As for my position vis a vis the Rebbe. He was a Kofer”
Why don’t you tell this to your ChaBaD rabbis face? I’m sure he will think you are considered qualified to make such a judgment.
“Of course that’s not my call. Hashem has to make any such decisions and until our Gedolim pasken that one can’t daven in a place with Lubavichers I’m certainly permitted to do so.”
So that either means that your previous statement is in disagreement with the gedolim (since they didn’t say it openly yet you did) or you’re going against what they want
Qwerty,
I want to ask you a question
If you asked a gadol if you can go to a Yankees game and he says “no” does that mean you can go to a Mets game?
@qwerty you still didnt tell me which daf? i want to discuss the sugya with you.
“As for your Midrash., I agree with it. My name is Yaakov and so you’ve convinced me that I’m god who created worlds. But seriously if you think that Midrashim must all be accepted literally then you obviously believe that Adam had relations with every creature in the universe on the day he was created.”
Congratulations you’re now officially a Christian since you believe in the Trinity, Hashem, Yaakov Avinu and Oso Harebbe.so basicelly youre saying 1) dont accept it litterly, ok so why do you take the rebbe’s statement and cunins statement THE SAME words litterly??
espessially as ive mentioned the rebbe explains in the haara what he means by comparing it to a yerushalmi and zohar. and at greater length see the maamer hikubtzu 5668 (in hemshach 5666)so you dont beleive the medrash about adam? how do you explain it?
qwerty > These are Russian Jews who didn’t know Aleph Bes ten years ago. The Rabbis never mention Hashem.
Right. I went also to some yeshivish and modernish shuls with tremendous amount of torah flowing like an ocean – to interview these proverbial Russian Jews who didn’t know Aleph Bes ten years ago. I could not talk to them, though, as they left ten years ago after hanging around for a couple of days and getting no contact… they left together with their children and einekels. Whether they left for Chabad or for baseball field, I do not know.
To paraphrase B Shammai/Hillel discussion about being born – was it better for them to end up in Chabad or lost forever. Probably, at Chabad, but they should review their deeds … I hope that not all of them ended up with Meshichistim, so at least some benefited. So, the blame that you mention should be balanced by benefits.
To Lostspark
I’m so full of anger I just can’t respond to Seichel’s unimpeachable sources. You, on the other hand, are the voice of reason. So why don’t you explain what it means that Yaakov is god? Did he create the universe? Of course, you’re a lying coward like your landsman Shmei so you never answer any question that the real Jews ask.
To coffee
Shame on you for siding with the idolaters. You’re still angry at me because I said last year that I watch TV
@lostspark
qwerty’s arguments with habad do not stem from sin’at hinam , nor from a place behind the sechel , nor from any other extraneous place.
Rather they stem from the evidence .
The evidence itself.
If you are not happy with his arguments you will have to answer them on the evidence and the evidence only .
No point to change topic and talk about nonexistent sin’at hinam.
.No one should pay attention to qwarty 613,He is really crazy and hates Lubavitchers because he couldn’t do the semicha by them.That is the reason and not anything else.
@lostspark
Easiest is to say sin’at hinam .
That absolves you from answering to the point – seems like it’s a get out of jail card ….עָוֹן גָּדוֹל הוּא לְבַזּוֹת תַּלְמִידֵי חֲכָמִים אוֹ לִשְׂנאוֹתָן. לֹא חָרְבָה יְרוּשָׁלַיִם, עַד שֶׁבִּזּוּ בָהּ תַּלְמִידֵי חֲכָמִים, שֶׁנֶּאֱמַר, וַיִהְיוּ מַלְעִיבִים בְּמַלְאֲכֵי הָאֱלֹהִים וּבוֹזִים דְּבָרָיו וּמִתַּעְתְּעִים בִּנְבִיאָיו, כְּלוֹמַר, בּוֹזִים מְלַמְּדֵי דְבָרָיו. וְכֵן זֶה שֶׁאָמְרָה תוֹרָה, וְאִם בְּחֻקֹּתַי תִּמְאָסוּ, מְלַמְּדֵי חֻקּוֹתַי תִּמְאָסוּ. וְכָל הַמְבַזֶּה אֶת הַחֲכָמִים, אֵין לוֹ חֵלֶק לָעוֹלָם הַבָּא, וְהוּא בִּכְלַל כִּי דְבַר ה’ בָּזָה. וְאָסוּר לְשַׁמֵּשׁ בְּמִי שֶהוּא שׁוֹנֶה הֲלָכוֹת.
I’m surprised the mods allow posters to disparage a gadol b’Yisroel in such a manner. I assumed a certain level of respect was expected even for a gadol whom one disagrees with.
There are Jews who I strongly disagree with, yet since I know that they are greatly respected and looked up to by their followers in the CR, I wouldn’t dream of using this platform to write terrible things (especially lies and slander) about them. If ch”v I did, I would hope that it would be censored by the mods.
I guess this feeling isn’t mutual. Oh well.
To Seichel
I’d like to address the point you made about Yaakov Avinu being god. Clearly you believe that esoteric statements should be understood literally. What’s interesting is that your Rebbe/god didn’t agree with that position. The question of the age of the universe is debated in Rabbinic circles. Most Rabbis don’t accept the literal view of “six days 5784” but the Rebbe did espouse that opinion. When asked about the Midrash which said that there were many worlds which existed before ours he famously answered, “those were spiritual not physical worlds” and so they don’t contradict the classical belief. It would follow that he would also explain the Midrash regarding Yaakov being god in a non-literal fashion. BTW you said there’s a which says that Gemara that Yaakov is god. Please cite that Gemara because I’m not familiar with it.
To Seichel
I’d like to address the point you made about Yaakov Avinu being god. Clearly you believe that esoteric statements should be understood literally. What’s interesting is that your Rebbe/god didn’t agree with that position. The question of the age of the universe is debated in Rabbinic circles. Most Rabbis don’t accept the literal view of “six days 5784” but the Rebbe did espouse that opinion. When asked about the Midrash which said that there were many worlds which existed before ours he famously answered, “those were spiritual not physical worlds” and so they don’t contradict the classical belief. It would follow that he would also explain the Midrash regarding Yaakov being god in a non-literal fashion. BTW you said there’s a which says that Gemara that Yaakov is god. Please cite that Gemara because I’m not familiar with it.
Yankel: If you are correct then let’s see qwerty logically refute sechels sourced claims.
To the Jews in the Group
It’s amazing that we have the Zchus to see Chazal’s words come to life for us, Growing up I thought that idolatry was a superstition. Now we see how real it is. These Lubavichers are so lost(spark) that they don’t even realize how hopeless they are. Hashem took away Paroah’s free will, their god robbed them of their ability to recognize truth. Rabbi Miller said that Gehinnom is the world of regret. These Lubavichers will be shown these posts and Hashem will ask them why the messages didn’t get through to them. Like Korach who ultimately said that Moshe is Emes, they’ll realize that Qwerty and Yankel Berel and all the others were Emes, but by that time it will be too late.
To the whole thread
I’ll share something interesting. I just finished Maariv at the Chabad shul. Between Mincha and Maariv the Rabbi spoke about Shema. He said that there are 10 Mitzvahs in Shema and started enumerating them T he first Mitzvah is to believe in Hashem The second is to know that there is only one god. Sounds nice, but his brother said that Hashem and the Rebbe run the world together. I never challenge any of the brothers, there are three, but they’re totally mixed up.I don’t say anything because they can’t hear the truth. But they are truly nice people.
“ Hashem will ask them why the messages didn’t get through to them.”
To say you know the thoughts of HaShem is a level of yeshus and gaavah unsurpassed in the CR. Everything you criticize the Rebbe of you exhibit in your own behavior. This entire thread is projection of your own issues.
Please quit making a fool of yourself and get the help you need.
“To coffee
Shame on you for siding with the idolaters. You’re still angry at me because I said last year that I watch TV“
Shame on you for deflecting, you go daven in a מקום ע״ז
You’re just upset that I’m calling you out (rightfully so)
@lostspark
If I am correct , then we will never hear about this debate having any connection to sin’at hinam any more
Not from you and not from any other habad apologizer.
No difference whether qwerty or anyone else answers or doesn’t answer sechels or any other habad apologists claims.This is not sin’at hinam . These are totally legit questions to put to anyone who attempts to
1] completely take over the mainstream Judaism all over the globe
2] change old age Judaism and to remake it chvsh in its own problematic image.
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.@lostspark
quoting qwerty:“ The Chazakah is that all Lubavitchers are idolaters.”
“ I didn’t say that all Lubavichers are idolaters.”
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lostspark attacking qwerty:
Which is it buddy? Is only Lubavitchers at your ChaBaD house that aren’t idol worshippers?
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Why is the first part of your yr msg a necessary contradiction ?
Never heard of hazaka saying one thing and the metsius could be oppposite ?@lostspark
quoting qwerty:“ The Chazakah is that all Lubavitchers are idolaters.”
“ I didn’t say that all Lubavichers are idolaters.”
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lostspark attacking qwerty:
Which is it buddy? Is only Lubavitchers at your ChaBaD house that aren’t idol worshippers?
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Why is the first part of your yr msg a necessary contradiction ?
Never heard of hazaka saying one thing and the metsius could be oppposite ?To Lostspark
I see. So you don’t think that Hashem will question those Lubavitchers who say that the Rebbe is god. For your sake I hope you’re right, but I highly doubt it. Actually I bought a set of Urim Vtumim from eBay. They really work and so I do know G-d ‘s thoughts.
To yankel berel
Thanks for defending me, but it’s not necessary. Look I might be wrong for davening in that shul but I have no other choice if I want to daven with a minyan. And if I davened at home my wife would kill me.
To Benedict Addict
Hashem will deal with you. And unlike the Lubavitchers you believe in G-d(probably).
To Menachem Shmei
You wonder why the moderators print my “calumny.” The Vilna Gaon, Chabad’s favorite Rabbi provides the solution. The greatest Rabbi of the last 300 years said, “The simplest answer is the truth.” The simple truth is that the moderators agree that Chabadianity is idolatry. And why not? You’re clearly stating that Oso Harebbe is god.
To yankel berel
It’s interesting that the Lubavitchers don’t ever concede a single point. We readily admit the truth e.g. the Rebbe was a gaon, many Lubavitchers are nice people. But Chabad only attacks. They behave like Doson and Aviram when Moshe tried to talk sense to them They treat us like we’re Christians trying to push our religion on them. They can’t acknowledge that we’re right in any way as that would lead them to question whether their religion is true or not.
To the Group
When Rabbi Shachter’s comment was introduced to the thread, to wit that many Lubavichers daven to the Rebbe and not Hashem, Lostspark categorically denied it and asserted that anyone who does so is an idolater. Now, just a few weeks later, the liar does a 180 and supports Seichel’s thesis that the Rebbe is god because Yaakov Avinu is god C”V. Lubavichers, by definition, have no shame because their god is in a box. Therefore they lie indiscriminately. Shakespeare wrote, “Vanity the name is woman. If the Bard lived in these times he’d likely say, “Insanity thy name is Chabad.”
To Benedict Addict
As yankel berel explained my hatred of Chabad is not Sinas Chinam, because I have valid reasons for hating them(again I have no personal animosity for them I just reject their idolatrous religion. In addition, those Lu8bavichers who hate me aren’t guilty of Sinat Chinam, because I mock and disparage their dead god. On the other hand, you are guilty of Sinas Chinam because you have no reason to hate me, but you do. So I challenge you to explain your hatred. Checkmate.
Qwerty,
You know people can disagree but owning up to something is what makes a man
You never answered my question, just deflected btw
I have been respectful to you and if you think calling me names because I’m calling you out is mature then I guess I now know who I’m dealing with
No where did I say I hate you
Asking questions and calling someone out for a double standard isn’t hate
But hey, people do what you’re doing
People call out Harris, Adams, and a lot of other people and their “defense” is the other person is a easier/anti semite/ bigot
So I guess you’re in good company
“qwerty613
Participant
No one should pay attention to qwarty 613,He is really crazy and hates Lubavitchers because he couldn’t do the semicha by them.That is the reason and not anything else.“Huh?
Mods is there a second account we don’t know about?
To coffee addict
Do you think I wrote that mind-numbingly stupid text? That was another Lubavicher doing what he could to get rid of me. As for your question, I believe it’s been answered. I attend a Chabad shul because I have no other choice if I want to Daven with a minyan. Does the shul have the status of an idolatrous temple? Obviously not. For that to occur the Gedolim would have to issue a Psak. Is it idolatry when Lubavichers state that the Rebbe is god? If you can’t answer that question you’ve got a problem. Now tell me what you want me to answer. Unlike the lying Lubavichers, I address every question that I’m asked.
I don’t hate you, I feel sorry for you.
To coffee
Let’s say you’re right and I’m a hypocrite for calling Lubavichers idolaters and attending a Chabad shul. So which D’Oraysa or Rabonon have I violated? The answer is none. But that’s never stopped you from attacking me. Last year you tried to have me taken off YWN because I said I watch TV which, as my rav said, isn’t even Rabbinically forbidden. On the other hand, you refuse to criticize the Lubavichers who have openly stated that their Rebbe is god. That makes you a supporter of idolatry, and according to Rabbi Akiva, you have the Din of an idolater. Ok. Chillax, I know you don’t agree with Chabad. Your problem is that you’re so obsessed with proving that I’m a goy you’re no longer rational.
“Let’s say you’re right and I’m a hypocrite for calling Lubavichers idolaters and attending a Chabad shul. So which D’Oraysa or Rabonon have I violated? The answer is none.“
The עבירה of מדבר שקר תרחק there are probably others too
“Last year you tried to have me taken off YWN because I said I watch TV which, as my rav said, isn’t even Rabbinically forbidden.“
Never did that, just showed your hypocrisy then too
“On the other hand, you refuse to criticize the Lubavichers who have openly stated that their Rebbe is god.“
I have, even on this thread (and you’ve even supported my stance
You’re 0 for 3, I guess you’re having a bad night
I might be wrong for davening in that shul but I have no other choice if I want to daven with a minyan. And if I davened at home my wife would kill me.
I believe avoda zorah is יהרג ואל יעבור
I’m still waiting for qwerty to answer all of the great tzaddikim and holy books that I’ve quoted who say the same thing as Lubavitch yet he doesn’t label them avoda zorah ch”v.
Lubavitchers never said the Rebbe is …. ch”v, rather they said things that were equivalent to statements of many holy people and seforim in the past, however qwerty misconstrues it to sound like AZ ch”v.
I honestly don’t think that I will convince qwerty, since I have already gone in circles with him in the past.
However, for any readers who didn’t see the discussions in the past, here are my posts from last year:
August 4 2023:
From the 1950s until 1989, no one went crazy about the Rebbe saying and publishing that a rebbe is עצמות ומהות אליין ווי ער האט זיך אריינגעשטעלט אין א גוף.
Just as no one went crazy that the Minchas Elazar wrote (דרכי חיים ושלום – מנהגי תענית):
מגודל נשמת הגה”ק הרמ”מ מרימנוב זי”ע כי הקב”ה לקח ד’ אותיות הוי’ כביכול וכרכן בלבוש זשיפיצ”ע ובלבוש ספאדי”ק ומזה נעשה הרבי ר’ מענדילי מרימאנוב
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=4692&st=&pgnum=234&hilite=No one went crazy when the Noam Elimelech wrote (about how a tzaddik has power to heal – ואתחנן ד):
אך זאת צריך להבין, מאין הוא להצדיק שיכול לרפאות לחולה ע”י תפילתו ולהמשיך לו חיות שיחי’ האדם, והלא חיותו של הצדיק איננו לעולם, הלא הוא כמקריות והאיך דבר מקרה יכול ליתן חיות לאדם, השי”ת ב”ה וב”ש שהוא חי וקים לעד ולעולמי עולמים וחיותו הוא עצמיות יכול ליתן חיות לאדם המקרי, אבל לא כן האדם שאין חיותו עצמיות. אמנם אין זה כי אם מחמת שהצדיק מדבק עצמו בהש”י ב”ה, ונמצא חיותו דבוק בהחיים הנצחיים העצמיות, והוי ליה חיותו של הצדיק ג”כ עצמיות ונצחיות, כי עצם אל עצם יחד ידובקו, ולכן יש כח ביד הצדיק להמשיך חיות אל החולה.No one went crazy when Rabbeinu Bachya wrote (שמות לג, ז):
מכאן שנקרא משה בשם המיוחד, וכן מצינו שנקרא יעקב בשם אל שנאמר . . . וכן מצינו בשם הצדיק שנקרא בשם המיוחד . . וכן מצינו במלך המשיח שנקרא בשם המיוחד שנאמר וזה שמו אשר יקראו הוי’ צדקנו . . וטעם הדבר בכלם כי הדבק בדבר נקרא על שם הדבר שידבק בו.No one went crazy when the Alter Rebbe wrote in Tanya (ch. 2) that every Jew is literally a part of G-d (quoting from Iyov (as mentioned by Sechel), but in Tanya he adds the word “mamash” – literally).
No one went crazy when Chazal said that the face of the Master Havayeh is R’ Shimon Bar Yochai. Or that “Havayeh in His holy chamber” refers to R’ Yitzchak in the beis midrash of Keisarin.
Of course, like anything in Torah, these statements need explanation and understanding. Go learn the ideas. There is an entire sefer – על הצדיקים (by Rabbi Pewsner) – that explains this topic at length. If you’re interested, go learn it. Don’t start calling thousands of people עובדי ע”ז (ch”v) because their Rebbe’s sefer says something that you don’t understand.
P.S. Again, this has nothing to do with ch”v davening to the Rebbe in shmone esrei, or the other nonsense which does not exist, as I wrote countless times.
This is a 1950s statement which some people decided to pull out in 1989 and misunderstand, in order to push the political agenda of the time.September 2 2023:
Qwerty, you haven’t answered the question that I directed at you SEVEN times.
Shtika Kihoda?
P.S. I asked the question in posts: #2213451 #2216778 #2216863 #2217091 #2218000 #2218095 #2220157
I’ll repeat it again: When Lubavitch said a statement that you understood as AZ at first glance, you immediately attacked Lubavitch, and it didn’t enter your mind that there can be a deeper meaning.
However, you do not attack the Minchas Elozor, Noam Elimelech, Rabbeinu Bachya, Tanya, Zohar, or Yerushalmi – all of whom said similar statements which can also sound like AZ at first glance to an ignorant person.Or, I can ask the question as I wrote it in a different post:
What if I were to say:
“Hashem took the four letters of His holy name (הוי’) and garbed them in a hat and kapoto, and this is the Rebbe…”
Or: “Who is the face of י-ה-ו-ה? The Rebbe.”
Or: “When the posuk says that Hashem is in His holy chamber, this refers to the Rebbe when he’s in shul”
Or: “How can the Rebbe heal people if he is mortal and only G-d can give life? Since a tzaddik is one with G-d, he has the power of infinity since his life is Hashem’s essence, therefore he can give life to a sick person.”Would you also call this AZ even though these are just paraphrased from the aforementioned gedolim?
And if not, why not?From another post:
P.S. For anyone actually interested in the topic and is wondering, “Indeed, what did the Rebbe, Minchas Elozor, Noam Elimelech, Rabbeinu Bachya, Tanya, Yerushalmi and Zohar mean when they wrote all of these surprising statements?” –
I suggest you watch an incredible shiur from Rabbi YY Jacobson on the topic: http://www.theyeshiva dot net/8291
(Although he discusses the general topic with many quotes from gedolim throughout the generations, he indeed doesn’t explicitly quote the Rebbe’s statement. I guess so as not to turn off his litvisher audience)To Lostspark
I feel the same about you. It’s a frightening thought there are Jews who don’t believe in Hashem. Amazingly, you and Sechel don’t even pretend to believe in Him. That’s how devoted you are to your god.
To the group
Lostspark and Coffee both deny that they hate me. As my mother used to say, “Siz lacht tze redden.” Talk is cheap. What sets me apart from those individuals is that I’m not a one-trick pony. Yes, I can be critical and I have an acerbic wit. I’ll quote Jason Maoz, former editor of the Jewish Press, “You write very well, but the reason we print you is because people hate your guts, and hate sells.” So I admit that my writing elicits venom, however, I can also be pleasant and complimentary as evidenced by my exchanges with yankel berel, always ask and others. The two I mentioned, on the other hand, are always nasty and condescending. To say you don’t hate me means nothing. I’m a writer so I pick up nuances. If you learn to speak to me with respect I will respond in kind. Unfortunately, as the expression goes, “You can’t teach an old dog new tricks.”
To the group
No group in the history of Judaism has ever had its adherents state openly and unequivocally that their Rebbe and not Hashem runs the world. I take that back, because I don’t want Coffee addict to accuse me of lying. There was a group about 2000 years ago. You probably heard of them. And what a coincidence each group thinks its dead leader is god. Checkmate.
To coffee
So you agree with me that Chabad is an illegitimate religion and that the Lubavitchers, at least in this thread, are liars. Well, midvar sheker tirchok teaches us not only to stay far from lying but also from liars and so I won’t address any of the comments from the Lubavitchers, except to say checkmate.
To coffee addict
So you say that you weren’t part of the group that tried to lynch me over watching TV. I have no intention of going through that thread so I’ll take your word for it. So that means you agree to with me that watching TV is perfectly acceptable. So let me ask you, “How big is your TV and in which room(s) you keep it?
“So I admit that my writing elicits venom, however, I can also be pleasant and complimentary as evidenced by my exchanges with yankel berel, always ask and others. The two I mentioned, on the other hand, are always nasty and condescending.“
Basically anyone that disagrees with you you can be condescending to, I get it and the people that agree with you, you compliment them
Makes a lot of sense 🙄
To coffee addict
You’ve now stated that we are in total agreement on the only two issues I’ve discussed on YWN, Chabad and watching TV i.e. con on the first and pro on the second. This said let’s try to understand why you’re so obsessed with proving that I’m a cross between Hitler and Stalin. Following the Gaon’s dictum, “The simplest answer is the truth.” We must conclude that you are insane and/or insanely jealous of me. Checkmate.To coffee addict
You stated that I praised your comments regarding Chabad. In addition I noted that your moniker was very clever. So you admit that I never said anything negative about you, yet your life revolves around convincing Hashem that I’m evil. Again you’re sick.
@shmei @sechel and all other metaharei hasherets
Not zohar and not noam elimelech and not minhat el’azar and not the rebbi from ropshiytzA] none of them said anything about themselves, always about their rebbeim with no implication about themselves
B] there was no personal gain whatsoever to be had , for the proclaimant.
C] proof in the pudding – none of their followers interpreted what they said in any way different to the explanation offered
i.e. that they were davuk to havayehD] It had no impact whatsoever on their own followers re their followers veneration of themselves
whereas in habads case
A] it is clear that his remark about atsmut umehut had intended implications about himself
B] Equally clear that there was personal gain for the proclaimant
C] habad followers interpreted it NOT like the no’am elimeleh’s explanation of dvekut , rather like the pashtut
D] habad veneration of their leader excels by far any other veneration of hasidim/talmidim of their rebbi/leader
yb
To Coffee addict
It’s interesting that all three Lubavitchers in the thread have praised me. When I started writing last year Menachem Shmei said that I have excellent writing skills. This year Lostspark said that I’m entertaining. And Seichel wants to be my Chavrusa. Now they have legitimate reasons to hate me. You, on the other hand, have no reason to dislike me. We are on the same side of the issues. And I’ve praised you. You are guilty of violating Veahavta Lereiacha Komacha and Sinat Chinam. You’re in serious trouble dude.
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