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To Philosopher
You made your points beautifully. It’s amazing how many supposed non Lubavitchers support trash like Shmei and ARSO while attacking real J toews like us. One question.I think Shmei agreed that Maharsha argued with Rashi about Yaakov Lo Mes so where did Shmei say otherwise?
Phil:
Let’s say that hypothetically, one of Rashi’s children or grandchildren specified in writing that Rashi did not mean it literally, and that he meant it exactly as you are presenting it, but–for whatever reason–the greater Orthodox world ignored this and continued to interpret this as we’re saying. This hypothetical situation would not change ANYTHING about what I’m saying to you.In our current reality, you are a daas yochid on this. That might mean that you’re right and that the rest of the frum world is wrong. But, often times in life, it’s better to be normal than to be right. I would maybe suggest you look up the english definition of the word “orthodoxy” if this style of thinking seems crazy to you.
To the real Jews
We’re all familiar with the “high level” Gemara teacher who was thrown out on his ARSo and told never to return. Now let’s consider that Menachem Shmei was a Rebbe. “Rabbi Shmei, who is Hashem?” So that’s an interesting question. There’s a Zohar which he then quotes. On the other hand there’s a Rjdvaz who argues on the Ying Tang who argues on the Marshmallow who argues on” Well it looks like it’s time for lunch.” Is there any wonder that there’s such an OTD problem in CH? No Rabbi is willing or able to tell his students that Hashem runs the world.
QWERTY your reference to a now irrelevant goyish artist both dates you and exposes your exposure to tameih teachings.
I place you as a boomer. Studies have show leaded fuel has had severe mental consequences on your generation. Further discussion on any serious subject is going to prove to be beyond your grasp.
B”H the EPA has provided protections to the younger generation who’s mental acuity has proven intact during the course of this discussion.
Philosopher I will then daven for your shalom bayis, you obviously have sublimated your problems with men into this discussion.
To the real Jews
What a phony is that Minuval Chamberlain. He’s afraid to ask his great friend Menachem Shmei a simple question because he might get upset ,but he has no problem attacking a Torah Jew like yours truly. I don’t understand why trash like this don’t simply convert to Chabadianity or my name “Mendacity.”:Kind of catchy wouldn’t you say? You notice that this worthless coward never responds to me. I couldn’t care less. He’s on Hashem’s list and that’s not a good place to be. But such vermin has no belief in G-d if they suck up to the primordial serpent.
Aaq,
I didn’t know you smoked! You really should stop, as it isn’t healthy
Qwerty, they are allowed to personally attack me constantly with lies and put-downs but they have issues with you attacking them personally….talk about hypocritical.
Meanwhile, none of them,
Shmei
Neville
Arso
Lostspark
Can name one rav who says Yaacov’s guf is physically alive.Also meanwhile, none of the Lubavitche cheering squad cared about Shmei’s total misinterpretations of the Ramban and Maharsha and Lostspark’s misinterpretation of R Bachay. All I did was simply copy the text which says the truth about what these meforshim are saying which proves the “talmid chuchem Shmei” to be a total faker.
coffee > I didn’t know you smoked! You really should stop, as it isn’t healthy
And you should stop drinking coffee. I thought nobody is reading this thread, only writing.
This thread is the most unhealthy thing for blood pressure, you should stop reading it.Neville, I’m not a das yochid and I know it for a fact DESPITE not learning attending cheder and yeshiva.
Qwerty, to tell you the truth, I didn’t read every word that Shmei wrote. Perhaps his arguments sometimes sounded conflicting so it couldn’t be understood exactly what he is saying. I myself never read anything clear and consice what he wrote, it was all over the place.
What i do know is that every time I said that Yaacov is alive in a spiritual sensee, not physically , he asked me but what about this mefoiresh and that mefoirsh that says otherwise. One of the meforshim he kept mentioning as contradicting to what I said that Yaacov is alive spiritually is the “Maharsha”.
Is a neshama in a guf sheni Hadak still considered alive?
“Qwerty, they are allowed to personally attack me constantly with lies and put-downs but they have issues with you attacking them personally….talk about hypocritical.”
Not once has any one of us attacked you personally. I would apologize if it came across that way, but I’ve been very careful. You are playing victim with no evidence. Copy and paste one post where I attacked you personally and I’ll apologize. That doesn’t mean respectfully disagreeing with you; that means the type of name-calling that your best friend qwerty is engaging in while you encourage him.“Meanwhile, none of them… Can name one rav who says Yaacov’s guf is physically alive.”
The question isn’t whether or not it’s reality. The question is whether or not Rashi said it. Would every Orthodox rabbi alive agree with this Rashi over other meforshim? Maybe not. Would every Orthodox rabbi alive agree that Rashi did in fact say this? Yes. 100%. Google “orthodox rabbis” and copy and paste that list into a post and you’ll have a group of Orthodox rabbis who agree with us. You’ll also have a list of Orthodox rabbis who agree that the sky is blue.You keep telling us to ask our personal rabbis about something that is pashut in Rashi. There’s no way I can think of to word this nicely, so I’m just going to be blunt: some of us don’t like asking our rabbis stupid questions. This is a well-known Rashi with a well known interpretation. You’re asking us to ask a baal teshuvish question, and we aren’t the ones who need to ask it. You are.
To Philosopher
It’s not that complicated..They don’t believe in Hashem. And there’s a simple proof. Not one of them, including the so-called non-Chabad swine like Minuval Chamberlain, has ever mentioned Him. The Midrash says that when Yaakov went to Yizchok to “steal” Eisav ‘s Brochos our Patriarch was confused because Yaakov referred to Hashem, something his twin never did. When the trash in this thread face Hashem in Shomayim they’ll excuse themselves for attacking me by saying that I compared the Rebbe to Hitler. But then they’ll have to explain why they attacked you. Through the power of Al Pi Shnayim they will get their just reward. They’ve been warned but Moshe Rabbeinu warned Dasan and Aviram.Siz gehalft azouvi a totte bankes.
To Lostspark
As I’ve stated on numerous occasions, I wasn’t fully Frum growing up and so my main interests were sports and music. I write a weekly Dvar Torah on the Parsha over the internet which is very popular. Almost every essay has a reference to sports and rock and roll. Not only do the modernische love them, but many great Rabbonim compliment me. My question to you is how someone like you, whose mind is completely unsullied by any non-Torah sources, learned filthy nivel Peh like you used on me last week?. Checkmate you sheigetz.
I have stopped reading qwerty altogether, as I’m scared I’ll laugh so hard I won’t be able to stop. As to philosopher, I currently glance at what she’s saying, but it seems I’ll soon stop that.
Kudos to Neville and Lostspark for their posts, and especially for their cutting retorts. Although I have to disagree with Neville on one thing he wrote. To say that philosopher is entiteld to her view is, I believe, untrue. A Yid is not entitled to misread a Rashi and to ignore Rishonim who explain it. That’s what she continues to do, and that, IMHO is unfortunately apikorsus.
In the meantime… כתיבה וחתימה טובה to all!
To the real Jews
There was a popular TV commercial in the sixties. It showed someone holding an intact egg and the narrator said, “This is your brain.” Then he’d break open the egg and fry it and say, ,”This is your brain on drugs.” This is Menachem Shmei’s brain on Chabad theology. He completely understands how a 3000 year old man can be alive but he doesn’t understand the principle of, “Hu Hayah, Hu Hoveh,Hu Yihyeh.” This is too “obscure” for the primordial serpent to fathom.
To Minuval Chamberlain
What the blank are you talking about? There is no sane individual in this world who thinks Yaakov is alive. I would include you but you’re clearly not sane. I think we should add another moniker to you. I’d call you the “cowardly Dayan.”You don’t have the guts to deal with me so you attack someone you think is weak. In fact she’s more than a match for you. And don’t call her Phil She hates your guts just like me and Hashem do. Hopefully this year you’ll find out what that means. And if so let me know Minuval.
To Minuval Chamberlain
Avraham Avinu was also a Daas Yochid you knucklehead.
To the group
Minuval claims that no one has attacked me. This begs the question, “Is Minuval, a liar, insane or retarded?” The answer, drum roll please is yes on all counts.
To the group
Benedict ARSo says he doesn’t read my posts anymore so he won’t know what I’m saying about him. I asked the disgraced Talmud teacher to explain why he was booted out of his job. He refuses to answer. Could it be he’s a predator? Just guessing.
To the group
The Minuval strikes again. He states, “Not one of us has personally attacked you.” Then he dares me to prove that HE hasn’t attacked me. The ausvorf has learned the art of triple talk from the primordial serpent.
“And you should stop drinking coffee. I thought nobody is reading this thread, only writing.
This thread is the most unhealthy thing for blood pressure, you should stop reading it.“Aaq,
I actually stopped reading it but wanted to read what you wrote 😅
כתיבה וחתימה טובה EVERYONE! (Even though it probably won’t be posted until after RH
Neville to philosopher: There’s no way I can think of to word this nicely, so I’m just going to be blunt: some of us don’t like asking our rabbis stupid questions.
Very well put! You make me jealous when you post things that I should have thought of posting myself.
Btw are you still reading the looney’s posts. It’s such a pleasure to completely ignore them, although I have to admit that while scrolling I see he has a wonderful title for you.
In the seforim it says that when someone insults you, he gets your aveiros and you get his zechuyos. It would be great if it applied here, but I wonder whether the looney has any zechuyos at all.
To the group
Benedict ARSo says that he no longer reads my posts. If you believe that I’ve got some bridges for sale. Be that as it may, apparently he doesn’t read his own posts. First he praises the Minuval’s posts and then he praises me for calling the appeaser a Minuval. Shakespeare wrote, “Vanity, thy name is woman.” I would add, “Insanity thy name is ARSO.” The possible pedophile is so obsessed with me, he’s now totally irrational. Come to think of it he was totally irrational even before he became obsessed with me. He probably says Hamelech Haqwerty in his Rosh Hashanah Tefilos.
To Philosopher
There’s the famous philosophical question, ” If a tree falls in the forest but no one’s there, does it make a sound?” We can ask, “If Benedict ARSo doesn’t read my insults does he get his much ballyhooed Zechusim?” The reason I control that psychotic is because he knows that I couldn’t care less what he says about me. As my father used to say, “You take it from whom it comes and charge it to ignorance.” Frankly all these attempts to divert attention from the issues are annoying. The point is that Lubavitchers believe in a dead Kofer instead of Hashem and anyone who supports them will share their grisly fate.
Judging by qwertys hysterical responses to everything I believe QWERTY may actually be a woman. There is no way a man could possibly be this irrational, plus look at who she is in good company with, another unstable chabad obsessed woman.
I’ll take the Or Hachaims’ words over two women’s minds preoccupied by sinas chinam and modern mushugas:
וישק לו. פירוש לו נשק אבל אין נכון לעשות כן למת אחר כי המת גדוש בטומאה וטומאתו בוקעת ועולה עד לרקיע ותפגם הנפש הנושקת אלא לו ליעקב כי חי הוא אלא דורמיטא קראתו כישן ונרדם
ויחנטו הרופאים. עשה כן יוסף משום כבוד אביו כי כן משפט הנכבדים ומכל שכן גדולי המלכות, או כדי שלא יטעו בו כשלא יחנטוהו שלא מת או שמת ולא הסריח ויעשוהו אלוה כי הוא פלא בעמים המזוהמים וסובב לבלתי יעלהו לארץ קבורתו, ואם לא היה טעמים הנזכרים הדבר פשוט כי בלא חניטה לא היה מסריח, וצא ולמד ממעשה ר’ אלעזר ברשב”י כאמור בש”ס (ב”מ פד:)
או אפשר לומר כי לצד שישראל שעמדו על הר סיני פסקה זוהמתן (שבת קמו.) ולזה צדיקי ישראל מאז והלאה לא היו מסריחין אחר מותם ואפילו עיפוש הנשאר בבטן יבש ויהיה לעפר כי זוהמת הגוף היא המסרחת אוכל שבמעים מה שאין כן קודם לכן, והגם שנאמר שגופו של יעקב לא יסריח כי לא מת אבל על כל פנים עיפוש המאכל אשר ישאר בגוף האדם כנום כי ירבו לו הימים יתעפש ויסריח ולזה חש יוסף וצוה לחנוט
או אפשר כי יוסף לא ידע מסוד זה וצוה לחנוט
I suggest both philosopher and QWERTY get back to reading the צאנה וראינה and quit wasting our time.
Lostspark, we are are wasting your time? That is hysterical. No one is forcing you to read these threads and our comments specifically.
BTW, do you believe the Lubavitche rebbe is running the world, that he’s alive, that you can pray to him, that he’s everywhere that he never makes mistakes? Are you so extremely busy that you never got the time to answer my questions that have simple yes or no answers?
To Lostspark
What were those two Hebrew words you wrote in your last post? I’ve said that I can’t read Hebrew. Of course my wife can help. She’s Israeli.
To Minuval
Do you still think I’m imagining that posters are insulting me? Unlike Benedict ARSo not only do their comments have no affect on me, but I encourage them. Unlike the lying dead Kofer my Rabbonim teach that Moshiach will come when the vermin have been eliminated. Therefore I encourage them to write. And I welcome you to join them. You actually have a brain. Hashem will hold that against you.
“Judging by qwertys hysterical responses to everything I believe QWERTY may actually be a woman.”
We might not be feminists here, but I don’t think we have to get this misogymistic; we’ve had plenty of competent female-posters here in the past. This is definitely not usual behavior for a woman either. I’ve heavily implied what I think qwerty’s situation is in real life, but I don’t want to say it outright.
“It would be great if it applied here, but I wonder whether [he] has any zechuyos at all.”
Given that I genuinely don’t think he can help it–at least not fully–I’m going to be optimistic. For the record, I don’t actually agree with indulging that type of behavior in real life at any age no matter what “issues” the person may have, but once the parents and education system have clearly done so for years, it would be silly to think a couple of guys on the YWN Coffee Room are going to be able to undo all of that. That’s why I’m not really engaging with him.
To ARSo
You’re right I have no Zechusim so you gain nothing from my insults. On the other hand I have all the schar from your high level Gemara knowledge. Remember you’re the one who started the insults. Thanks you stupid subvirus now I completely own you.
Philosopher would you mind translating my source that shows you are completely wrong for QWERTY?
QWERTY ask the ChaBaD rabbi at your ChaBaD Shul, he’ll understand the joke.
I still haven’t gotten a response for the source I provided.
I guess it’s checkmate and now the diversions will begin.
To Neville Chamberlain
Why don’t you say what you think of me? I’ll answer that rhetorical question. You won’t give your honest opinion because you know I’ll refute it. I’m a big boy. I’ve debated on too many occasions to remember. Show some guts and take me on. Of course be prepared to lose.
To Philosopher
Lostspark and Benedict ARSo have serious issues with women. I think you’ll find this interesting. It’s not uncommon to find a Chabad couple in which the wife is attractive and the husband not so much. According to Chabad lore, the Rebbe paskened that all Chabad women should be beautiful and the men average looking. Why did he do this? He knew that the men would be Shlichim and he didn’t want them to look at other women so he made sure that their wives are pretty. On the other hand he made the men ordinary looking so that the local women won’t chase after them. He wasn’t worried about the Chabad women cheating on their spouses because he knew they’d be busy with their kids. More Chabad craziness.
To Lostspark
I don’t know what you’re talking about..Try writing in English which I know is difficult for you given your second grade Chabad secular education.
Diversion and deflection par for the course. Have you nothing to say after a month of being completely incorrect and exposing your ignorance in Torah?
QWERTY at least they look like yidden, every modern orthodox couple I’ve seen tries to look like a goy in public out of shame of yiddishkeit.
It is not rare for a sicko creep to baselessly accuse others of the very sins they themselves are guilty of.
Someone has been baselessly accusing Arso of terrible things for a while now, and this individual is starting to reveal his true colors, which are even darker than we initially thought.
I am increasingly surprised at the recent absolute lack of moderation on this platform, which has now descended from maniacal rhetoric to inyonim of hepech hatznius, r”l.
Qwerty, you are surely not saying “He knew that the men would be Shlichim and he didn’t want them to look at other women so he made sure that their wives are pretty. On the other hand he made the men ordinary looking so that the local women won’t chase after them” in a literal sense…
Heard there is panic in habad circles .
All are saying tehilim.Apparently the owner of Gotlieb’s in Williamsburg died when Trump was meant to visit.
Now that Trump visited the ohel … their rebbi is in danger … It is a case of big sakanat pikuah nefesh ….Menachem: Someone has been baselessly accusing Arso of terrible things for a while now, and this individual is starting to reveal his true colors, which are even darker than we initially thought.
I am increasingly surprised at the recent absolute lack of moderation on this platform, which has now descended from maniacal rhetoric to inyonim of hepech hatznius, r”l.I can only assume it’s qwerty you’re referring to, as I read all the posts other than his. The guy’s is completely out of his mind, and I don’t think it’s worth dealing with him. However, your point about the mods is very relevant. What’s happened to them?
To Philosopher
This story I heard from my son.He attended a singles event about a year ago and a Lubavicher told it to him. According to Chabad theology Hashem is restrained by natural law but the Rebbe has no boundaries and so he can do anything. It’s interesting that they say he could snap his fingers and give childless couples triplets but he couldn’t get his wife pregnant and he can Mikarev Woody Allen but he couldn’t straighten out his own brothers.
To the group
Menachem Shmei now comes to his “boyfriend’s” defense. Two or three weeks ago ARSo said that he won’t ask any Rabbi if Yaakov is physically alive because he knows more than them given that he was a high level Gemara teacher
He added that he had to leave the job because of family issues. The Gaon said that anything a person says is a lie and so I doubted ARSo’s explanation. I didn’t call him a liar rather I asked him to explain what type of family issues were involved. He refused to answer and so I speculated that he was lying and actually the Yeshiva threw him out. He still refused to comment and so I further “guessed” what he may have done. ARSo can end the speculation but if he refuses I have every right to propose the worst. There is no Mitzvah to Dan him LKaf Zechus. He’s worthless trash. Thank G-d he doesn’t read my posts anymore.. LOL.Yankel berel, that joke is only about those who “only” believe the LR is alive and will return for his second coming as the messiah. But those who’ve moved on to the next stage in the deification of him were not worried about the visit because since he’s got even greater special powers now because “he’s running the world” he will make sure that he imself won’t ever die, and therefore these people were not worried about Trump’s visit to the ohel.
QWERTY I’m still waiting for a response to my source you can’t read. Is philosopher going to do all your work for you?
QWERTY you should ask your friend who claims to be chassdishe if asking for a bracha from one’s Rebbe is avodah zarah? Why would there need to be an intermediary for a bracha from HaShem?
@philosopher
Correct and valid.To the real Jews which includes the moderators
Lostspark is lost even by Chabad’s reckoning. If an intermarried Mechallel walked into their “shul” on Yom Kippur they’d give him Maftir Yonah for free but Lostspark is obsessed with Modern Orthodoxy. The truth is that Chabad hates all Jews that they can’t convert to their krum religion.
To Philosopher and yankel berel
A while back I suggested that we avoid any contact with the Lubavich looneys and their traitorous supporters. I’m glad to see that you’re now following my advice. As far as Hashem is concerned they don’t exist as the Gemara says, A Rosho is dead even while he’s in this world.”
To Lostspark
I’m no longer wasting time with you, so don’t bother writing to me I won’t respond.
Even regular Jews can give a bracha. A bracha from a tzaddik generally has more power because the tzaddik is on a higher spiritual level. A bracha is a BLESSING. A blessing does not mean that the person giving the blessing runs the world.
The power of avodah zora is that basic concepts that should be clear to humans become a haze of confusion in their desperate attempts at validating the legitimacy of their idol worship.
“Even regular Jews can give a bracha. A bracha from a tzaddik generally has more power because the tzaddik is on a higher spiritual level. A bracha is a BLESSING.”
Now let’s see qwerty come in and strongly agree with this because it came from his “team,” while if anyone else said it, he would be like, “look! He ACTUALLY just said that! Mamash Avoda Zara! Checkmate, ladies and gentlemen!”
To the real Jews in the group
Here’s another interesting Chabad tidbit. Lubavitchers never discuss the Holocaust as per the Rebbe’s orders. I knew that and so one Shabbos I gave a speech focusing on the Shoah in order to annoy a certain Chabad Rabbi. As I anticipated he blew a gasket and announced,”The Holocaust is one of those times when G-d couldn’t explain himself. Like when the Romans were torturing Rabbi Akiva and the angels said Zeh Torah and Zeh it’s Schar? And Hashem couldn’t answer them.” They view the Rebbe and Hashem as good god, bad god. The Rebbe gives people what they want and Hashem causes events like October 7th.
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