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Barry, I was originally going to respond to you in the same thread, but I decided to respond on a new thread for a reason that I will make clear shortly.
The issue is that it is the Gedolei Yisrael who are speaking out against Internet and Smartphones, so it is the Gedolim who you are criticizing, whether or not that was your intention. Being “mevazeh Talmidei Chachamim” is a very serious issue. If you have views that are different than the Gedolim, they should not be publicized in a public forum that goes by the name YeshivaWorld.
Additionally, when you say the things that you have said about the Rabbanim, you are publicly spreading motzi shem ra about the Rabbanim, which is also a very serious issur.
When someone writes or reads something online that is either Loshon Hara or Motzi shem ra or being mevazeh the Gedolim, they are in danger of losing their cheilik in Olam Haba, since they are in the category of a baal Loshon Hara and/or someone who is mevazeh the Gedolim. Therefore, I did not want to post my response on the same thread, since that would cause more and more people to read the same words, and I would rather not lose my cheilik in Olam Haba or be the cause of others losing theirs.
I was hesitant to respond at all, since I see that each response from me seems to lead to more Motzi Shem Rav, but I did feel that it was important to respond. However, if anyone responds to this post with more Motzi Shem Ra, I will have to cease responding.
It is wonderful that you want to solve Am Yisrael’s problems, but Motzi Shem Ra does not help and in fact, makes things worse.
Everyone, let’s please remember that Elul is coming up. Unfortunately, we had to fast on Tisha B’Av this year as the Beis HaMikdash was not rebuilt in time for Tisha B’Av. Unfortunately, last year, we were not zoche to be oleh l’regel for Sukkos. Let’s try to make ourselves worthy of being oleh l’regel this year, B’ezras Hashem!
Wow! Even I didn’t get such a rough tochachah
Where was this thread? 😉
lilmod. Kudos on a wonderful post. I hope bezrat hashem I can help klal yisroel be zoche with what I can do. Unfortunately it’s almost impossible for a writer to live without internet. Especially in a foreign country where there is little books to research on topics in your native language.
Besides for that the only other problem I have with your post/opinion is that although this place is the Yeshiva World forum, doesn’t mean that what’s posted on here reflects the views of YWN. It’s a known thing at this point that forums are open places. I agree with your thinking about the fact that even if we don’t live up to the gedolei hador’s expectations that we shouldn’t be against them nor come out against them.
But unfortunately neither you or I can control anyone else, there are people with differing views and rabanim. Let us not attack them but hug them and say “We don’t agree with you, this is not YWN, but we still welcome you, as does Hashem.”
I’m not sure exactly who/what this was a response for but that’s life.
I believe YWN writes somewhere that the opnions and veiws voiced here are not theirs.
lilmod ulelamaid: I answered you on the other thread before I saw this. You missed the point. Instead you are diverting the issue.
The problem is it was the internet bloggers who exposed the abuse scandal, while they might have alterior motives, it doesnt mean they were wrong
Lilmod,
Tisha bav video
Btw I thought it over and you’re right
Lilmod,
Some people might say a rav has the status of a gadol (talmid chacham) and I was saying he knowingly lied (or misled
To which you answered bc of Shalom
Well lilmod, if you start a new thread and not refer the context…most people would be thinking what I was.
Lilmod, do you believe that rabbanim are infallible?
“I think it must be a sign that I had been listening to LH “
obviously everyone is entitled to their own cheshbonos but instead of thinking I was subject to someone elses wrong, I have thought of ear ailments to be a sign that I may not have listened appropriately to the words/cries/heart of others. But that’s just my personal thought, we obviously have no idea what Hashem is doing and can only use it as a sign that we have to work on ourselves. That is just an additional message that a person looking to grow can consider.
gofish: Strawman. The gedolim are more likely to be right than you and your friends. And if you think you’re right, it is still more likely they’re right. And if it is a halachic issue, than you versus them isn’t even a contest.
joseph, you are 100 percent correct. 100%
the only problem is that that was not her question. I wish you would have answered her question.
“instead of thinking I was subject to someone elses wrong”
Listening/reading loshon hora isn’t merely “someone else’s wrong”; it is one’s own wrong.
thank you for missing the point. i would have expected nothing supportive in return. But don’t worry, I start work tomorrow…
Syag, no one, absolutely no one, thinks rabbonim are “infallible”. So gofish’s implication in her question is a strawman.
Lilmod,
So? There are things that override lashon hara too like if it’s l’toeles
Therefore what?
I’m not understanding now, what I understood was “so what, it was sheker, if it brings Shalom to the world them it’s muttar”
Joseph – you are capable of bringing understanding to difficult questions when you give answers. I was hoping you would give an answer. that’s all.
LU- I see you responded to something but I want to give you the courtesy of knowing I will not be reading your posts so that I no longer have to be hurt by them.
Moderators please close this thread, it’s bringing out a lot of machlokes and lashon hara on syag saying “syag is being impolite”
Thank you for caring
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