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Apparently, you can.
Absolutely they can
Nefesh B’nefesh has programs to help a family making Aliya to Israel for ALL ISSUES from education to home buying to government support etc…. To finding you a job although we know in truth that all financial support is actually coming directly from Hashem and not from the government or the rich father in law etc…..
3 things to do first
1. speak to a bunch of similar style frum families that made aliya , and ask them ?
2. speak to at least 2 rabonim who know this specific line in the anglo / isreal neighborhoods
3. look in the mirror , whats motivating you to take such a drastic step ? & why NOW?Being yeshivish or chareidi is not much of a consideration. Modern orthodox have the same challenges. There are challenges anytime someone moves, making new friends, adapting to new cultural norms, language barriers, etc.
English-friendly American Yeshivish elementary schools abound. especially in yeshivish American neighborhoods like Ramat Bet Shemesh. There are many, many options in the Ramat Bet Shemesh Aleph and Gimmel neighborhoods for both boys and girls. The quality of educational options for a typical yeshivish family should not be a concern.
Run to Israel on the next flight. Hashem is waiting for you to come home to him. טובה הארץ מאד מאד ארץ אשר היא זבת חלב ודבש
look in the mirror , whats motivating you to take such a drastic step ? & why NOW?
Correction:
look in the mirror , what’s preventing you from taking such a heroic step ? & why not NOW?
Absolutely. Just plan carefully.
Welcome ZSK, thanks for dropping in!
With proper research and preparation it will the best thing for you and your family
ברוך הבאGood Morning America!! Hashem is waiting, working overtime preparing everything so that His children will come home!! Jump in Nachshon!! Plan, Prepare, and Daven! This is the Holyland! Throw away your rule book! Here the rules are all different because this is Hashem’s land! Now’s the time!! Comeon Aliyah from love of Hashem and His Mitzvos. Don’t wait to be thrown out!!
Definetly!
Do you want to wait until their married and settled there and then you’ll come here all alone?????I don’t know what the situation is right now. I know, like the Rabbonim in this video explained, that 15-20 years ago it was extremely difficult for school aged children to make Aliyah. My question is this. One of the biggest issues that people faced is the two tzedadim of frum Israeli life. Either you live as a Chareidi and all that entails, or you live as a Da’ati Leumi and all that entails.
There was simply no room for someone like your typical kid from Torah Vodaas who wears a hat in shul, plays basketball during recess, learns most of the day, follows the Yankees, and will eventually learn in kollel for a few years before going to college and working as an accountant.
Has that changed and how?
The Biala Rebbe of Yeurshalyim / Lugano is a strong proponene tof aliya and his chassidim includes people of a large variety of backgrounds and affiliations.
It might be worthwhile being in touch with the kehilla.
richashu, thanks for the link. I am glad that these are so open-minded chareidi schools: if you want, they let you wear a mask or a kippah or tzitzis, but they don’t force you to. tizku b’mitzvos.
As heilike Berdichever said after watching the video – how holy are your people, Aibishte, will they admit everything, but they will not lie!
Yserbius, you make excellent points and described the situation quite accurately.
It has changed in the last 10-15 years, but minimally. There are pockets of the yeshivish type you described in Bet Shemesh , Har Nof, and maybe a few other places. The tight-rope balancing act is extremely difficult. Most of these children either end up going back to the States or move to the Israeli Chareidi model. Most of them don’t learn the language and are trapped socially. Even if they find their min-b’mino here , the next generation will be mainstream chareidi. Is Aliyah worth it in these cases? Of course, home is home. Orlando for Pesach is fun, but to the best of my recollection, G-d chose this land. Ma la’asot, zeh hamatzav.Yserbius, sorry, one small correction. Dat = religion. Dati L’eumi = religious nationalist. Da’ati= hada’at sheli = my opinion.
The “Aliyah under all circumstances” team is out in force here, but the reality is complicated. School age comprises a broad range. The older the child, the more problematic. In the worst case, the average American Mesivta boy who does not speak Hebrew and is used to learning until 2 o’clock and then night seder will find the Israeli Yeshvia Ketana system suffocating. There are a very few schools which offer an alternative more American way of learning with some secular topics. However, their numbers are small, they may not be where you want to live, and your son may not get in and there will still be lots of cultural problems for a boy that age. Many Israeli schools simply do not want Americans because it will taint the schools reputation. On the other hand children between the ages of 6 and 10 will after some initial difficulties generally do OK. Many high school age children simply refuse to make Aliyah with their parents. Is it worth breaking a family up to make Aliayah?
In short, there are a lot of factors such as the age of your children, how much they are on board with the plan and how much unhappiness you are willing to tolerate in your home for the sake of making Aliyah. These are not easy choices.
Each of the parts of the Jewish people have something to contribute … If Amerikaiim feel that they have approaches that have value, maybe they should continue them in Israel, with necessary adjustments instead of assimilating? Put a small group and start learning together, possibly part-time in English, and part time b’Ivrit to facilitate transition. Add zoom with your American community, if necessary.
One Rav who moved to Israel was immediately asked – which party are you for? He replied – “Moshe Rabbeinu”.
It’s so obvious that the answer is no. Unless you have a rare perfect scenario that every one of your kids won’t be negatively affected, which is unlikely.
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