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It’s a patach under the נ, not a choilam.
Please. The one tenuah that everyone pronounces the same. How did such a travesty happen?
Huh? Who sings it with a cholam?! “Venow Hapowch”?! That sounds weird. I’ve never heard it, and I would have noticed.
So how did it happen with”Toiv li Soras picha malfei zohov wa-chOsef.”?
Note that Humash didn’t come with a CD indicating how to pronounce things. The technology to produce a record player did not involve plastic or electronics, so in theory one could have made one 3000 years ago, and the fact that instructions weren’t included at Sinai suggests that “perfect” pronunciation is not a mitsva (and patach is a sound that varies considerably among kosher Yidden).
Also note that Purim is associated with consumption of alcohol, which is know to impair correct pronunciation.
Levi: You are surely aware that Toras and Soras are the same word. Ditto with chesef, kesef, chasef and kasef. Changes are only based on syllable count, Ehev”i endings, and “trop”. There is no such word though, and is a distortion of a possuk to say v’noy v’noyhafoch hu, as does a certain composer/singer who has become famous in recent years.
Can you please hear it correctly? I’d say 99.9 say NA-HAfoich or Na-hapoich
1) I have never heard it with a cholam, maybe a sh’va na
2) “travesty” might be a bit much. its a song, I don’t hink there is any halachic requirment or even hiddur to pronounce the words correctly.
3) If the vowelezation bothers you wait until you find out the passuk doesnt say “Venahapach venahapahc venahapach venahapach venapachu hu…”Since some people don’t seem to know what is being discussed, 1.4142135 was referring to Meilich Kohn’s rendition.
It’s called poetic license
CA: And where do you see that poetic license is permitted?
I always feel a little twinge of repulsion when people sing baruch hu elokeinu sheBARanu lichvodo, with a komatz, because it means “we created”, instead of seb’ranu, “that He created us” with a shva.
Same goes for likovod hatana elokai, rabbe shimon bar yochai – elokai means “my God” instead of the correct eloki, which means Godly, as in, the Godly tanna.
Sounds like the who doesn’t know dikduk can’t be a chusid.
So? Haven’t chasidim been mispronouncing words forever?
Not the mishnaic chasidim
Since בדקדוק עסקינן….
Here is another one..
ברכה
“אחריתי”It shouud be ברכה אחרונה or
בתראHow many say Hakodash Borchu rather than Hakodash Boruch Hu?
RE
I give up. How many?
Toshma, if it’s aramaic i think it would be ברכתא בתראה
הביאני אל בית היין ודגלו עלי אהבה
אל תיקרי ודלגו אלא ודילוגו עלי אהבה
When there is Ahavas Hashem, the dikduk is not so important…By the way, is it Dikduk or dikDuk ?
Reb Eliezer, it’s the same number as the number of people who say “buch ashem” instead of “baruch hashem”. Or, if they’re texting, it’s just “bh”.
To kingdavid. You meant “ולגלוגו עלי אהבה”
King – the gemara says that refers to an am haaretz who mispronounces words; there’s greatness in amei haaretz, and the fact that the lowest among us are so full of mitzvos shows how incredible klal yisroel is.
But they’re not role models; the gemara is not saying that dikduk isn’t important for the rest of us.
The Midrash says:
ילקוט שמעוני שיר השירים רמז תתקפו
אמר רבי אחא אפילו עם הארץ שקורים לאהבה איבה כגון ואהבת ואייבת, אמר הקדוש
.ברוך הוא ודגלו עלי אהבה ודלוגו עלי אהבה
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