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In 1948, when the medinah was first established, the Chazon Ish had already moved to Eretz Yisroel. He is quoted as having said that the establishment of the medinah this constitutes the end of the golus but we have not yet arrived at the geulah.
Is that the current state of the world, like a ‘bein hashmoshos” (Twilight) ?
No
That’s a false attribution to the Chazon Ish.
Meheiche teise yes or no daas yochid?
Golus isn’t over.
The renown possek Rabbi Hershel Schechter shlitah quotes it in his divrei Torah on Torahweb dot org, titled: “True Redemption”.
He doesn’t quote the Chazon Ish as saying golus is over.
Mr. Rebbetzin: You can trust Mickey Mouse if you want. But RHS isn’t a reliable source when it comes to him selling his Zionism.
“The end of golus” doesn’t mean it’s over. It means it’s almost over.
Earlier in the piece, he says the tragedy of golus is the lack of hashroas hashechinah, and doesn’t claim we have that.
Mr. Rebbetzin: You can trust any kosher keeping Jew for kashrus but not for psak, Torah interpretations, history or stories.
I don’t wait until the end to drink.
Mr. Rebbetzin: There are many people you can trust as a mashgiach that are completely unreliable on hashkafic and halachic matters.
Being a mashgiach isn’t all that much.
Yes, but according to you, it’s finished.
I don’t know if the Chazon Ish said that but it makes sense since it goes along with the rambam that paskens like Shmuel that אין בין … אלא שיעבוד מלכויות.
Also according to the Gemara in berachos we are living in yemos hamashiach.
גמ׳ תניא אמר להם בן זומא לחכמים וכי מזכירין יציאת מצרים לימות המשיח והלא כבר נאמר הנה ימים באים נאם ה׳ ולא יאמרו עוד חי ה׳ אשר העלה את בני ישראל מארץ מצרים כי אם חי ה׳ אשר העלה ואשר הביא את זרע בית ישראל מארץ צפונה ומכל הארצות אשר הדחתים שם
In short, kibutz galuyos is the same as yemos hamashiach.Joseph, even am haratzim who hate satmar, can have kavod for the satmar rebbe, even if they disagree with him.
1. Why can’t you have kavod for a Talmid Chacham, regardless?
2. He does not seem like the kind of person who pushes tzionis. He pushes for keeping and following the Torah. Even my rebbe, who strongly dislikes YU, has a great kavod for Rav Shechter, who is a Talmid Chacham! We honor the Torah Shebo, not the person.Once were on this topic
Can someone please explain, according to the rambam who says that when moshiach comes: עולם כמנהגו נוהג, and there wont be any changes in the world, isnt תחיית המתים a major change how can the rambam say there wont be any changes?Lechaim,
Good question.
Your Rambam has already been explained to mean the first part of the geulah starting with Moshiach’s arrival, up to a certain point. His opinion is that there won’t be major world changes during that particular phase, it’s like Shmuel’s opinion on the gemarah. Even Shmuel , with whose opinion the Rambam apparently agrees, is only talking about the very initial geulah. Many discuss this.Rebbetzin,
Save your breath.
When Moshiach shows up on Rechov Yaffo inviting the kibbutz in Ivrit wearing a kippa sruga, the galus lovers will call him a Zionist. Talk about a good kugel recipe instead- one without so much salt.avreichem: There was no disrespect. And he does push Zionism.
I was actually wondering about תחית המתים today
If if someone dies at 90 but his father died in a car accident at 40 when תחית המתים happens will he be older than his father?
can techiyas hameisim happen in the first period?
@coffe I heard a similar question regarding a widow that remarries, which husband does she go back to?
I think it’s a machlokes between the author of Rav Pe’alim and someone else.
I’ll try finding the makorLechaim,
It can. Take a look in Meseches Sanhedrin along with meforshim where this issue is discussed. Some say Techiyas will be earlier than others… We just don’t know till tat era is upon us…. Hopefully soon Bimheirah Beyameinu…The Yerushalmi (Berachot 1:1) says that the Geula comes slowly in stages. this there is a continuum of galut and geula. Rashi says that a sign of geula is EY bringing forth its fruits in abundance. BTW, according to the Zohar each 1,000 years of creation is against one day of the week. According to that 5708 was the soft reman blur chametz. There is no greater chamez than the Galut.
And Israel is in galus.
@zion
Thanks
I meant accounting to the rambam that we say is talking about two time frames – an earlier one which won’t have changes in this world, and the later one which will have.
According to that can techiyas hameisim still happen in the first period?galus isnt over this whole conversation is pashtus
duh
Mr. Rebbetzin, I don’t disagree that everyone must be respectful when discussing these rabbis, even if they had very different viewpoints than most rabbonim. And no one was. But that being said, it is respectful to point out that paskening dinei nefoshos shailos is different than paskening kashrus shailos. Not every posek who can pasken on kashrus can pasken on dinei nefoshos. One might be able to pasken this chicken is kosher or using such and such ingredients is kosher but cannot pasken take Reuven off the respirator and r”l let him be niftar. That’s a generic point I’m making not specific to any particular rabbis.
That point being made, I’ll also point out that most or all of the rabbonim on Moetzes Gedolei HaTorah, to take an example of a group of rabbonim, are bigger talmidei chachomim than the ones you’ve cited.
And to state the obvious, Rabbi Schachter, while certainly a big talmid chochom, is very much an outlier whose many positions are very much not accepted in normative/traditional Orthodoxy. Indeed, the Orthodox Union itself, while very fine for kashrus matters (generally), is officially a Modern Orthodox organization that takes many positions anathema to the Gedolei Yisroel of today and yesteryear.
The attribution to the Chazon Ish is false.
Rav Pam was a member of the Moetzes. And my point was just an example. Of course the Moetzes aren’t the only Gedolim. But coincidentally the members of the Moetzes were all greater rabbonim and talmidei chachomim than the rabbis you mentioned.
Anyusername,
Well, apparently not, but the question is how long this initial phase will last. The Rambam supports Shmuel’s opinion, but that isn’t the final word. Nobody has the answer. Even the opinion that the world will be destroyed for a period of time is a machlokes. And if yes, the question is for how long, or does it even mean literally.Avi K…..That Rashi is actually ad loc in Sanhedrin and the gemarrah itself says so…. That the abundant fruits is yet the greatest sign of geula… EY has for thousands of years yielded norhing to any occupier or invader in abundance. Mark Twain described how desolate and forlorn EY is when he visited there 120 years ago. The signs of geula are here .. But only believers see it. The naysers have their heads and shitot in the sand.. Too bad.
No we will go from gulus straight to geulah with separation in between
No we will go from gulus straight to geulah with no separation in between
No we will go from gulus straight to geulah with NO separation in between meaning that when gulus ends geulah will come right away
MN,
1. Posting three times does not change anything.
2. We cannot have anything now. Everything comes gradually with work. Eisav lost his birthright because he wanted lentil soup now.@avik. 1. 🙂 read all 3 times again.
2. isnt golus long enough that we can get it now?
Dont we ask for moshiach every day?@rebitzin it definitely can happen, based on the gemora in sanhedrin 98a where it speaks abt this
Depending on זכו or לא זכוWe should assume that we are זכו , no? So moshiach can come immediately.
@rebitzin it definitely can happen, based on the gemora in sanhedrin 98a where it speaks abt this
Why are you teaching gemara to a rebetzin
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