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December 23, 2012 3:05 pm at 3:05 pm #607540outreach613Participant
Can someone called Batsheva name her baby Elisheva?
December 23, 2012 5:23 pm at 5:23 pm #915207shmoelMemberIs Simcha both a boys and a girls name?
December 23, 2012 5:30 pm at 5:30 pm #915208outreach613ParticipantYes
December 23, 2012 5:33 pm at 5:33 pm #915209shmoelMemberAny other names that are shared by boys and girls?
December 23, 2012 5:33 pm at 5:33 pm #915210ToiParticipantI like eggs?
December 23, 2012 5:48 pm at 5:48 pm #915211outreach613Participantmy question was never answered? Can someone called Batsheva name her baby Elisheva? or is it too similar?
December 23, 2012 5:54 pm at 5:54 pm #915212ferfalMemberIts like can Shaya give a name Shea?
They’re two different names!!!!!!!!!
December 23, 2012 6:06 pm at 6:06 pm #915213WolfishMusingsParticipantOutreach,
If this is really a concern for you, contact your local Orthodox rabbi.
The Wolf
December 23, 2012 6:10 pm at 6:10 pm #915214WiseyParticipantToi????
December 23, 2012 6:22 pm at 6:22 pm #915215brisketParticipantCan someone named Shlomo name his son Zalman?
December 23, 2012 7:13 pm at 7:13 pm #915216yaff80ParticipantCan an Ariel have an Uriel?
Why on earth not?
If a person can be called Tzvi Hirsch (even though they are the translation of each other), then an Elisheva can have a Batsheva and vice versa – they are totally different names.
R’ Moshe ZT@”l has a teshuva about Tsipora and Faige that they have separate meanings (one is a generic term for birds whilst the other is a specific type of bird) and are ok together!
December 23, 2012 7:28 pm at 7:28 pm #915217147ParticipantCan someone called Batsheva name her baby Elisheva?
Why not?
December 23, 2012 7:49 pm at 7:49 pm #915218TheBearIsBackMemberBrisket – I think there are plenty of Schneur Zalman ben Shlomos and Shlomo ben Schneur Zalmans out there.
Tzvi Hirsch, Arye Leib, Zeev Volf etc came from a time when only Yiddish was spoken and when loshon hakodesh names were meant only for shul etc.
Shaya and Shea are nicknames, although there is one Shaya I know of whose official name is not Yeshaya(hu). His name is spelled shin-yud-yud-aleph and it is roshei tyvois Shygetz Aross!
December 23, 2012 7:51 pm at 7:51 pm #915219shmoelMemberCan Tzvi name his son Hirsch? Aryeh name his son Leib? Tzipora name her daughter Faiga?
December 23, 2012 8:07 pm at 8:07 pm #915220shmendrickMemberSomeone named their daughters: Avigail and Avichail. Both used “Avi” for short.
In your case, the issue would arise if both mother and daughter are called Sheva for short. If that is the case, it can lead to confusion and issues of Kibud Aim. They would require a shinuy to avoid this.
A shinuy is even when there is a second name, as between mother-in-law and daughter-in-law, although the “added” name should be first. The shinuy should actually be used.
In your case, the distinguishing “prefix” is first and therefore (if the complete name is used for one of them), there is no chishash.
December 23, 2012 8:12 pm at 8:12 pm #915221amichaiParticipantyes.
December 23, 2012 8:51 pm at 8:51 pm #915222TheBearIsBackMemberNO! If a Batsheva names a child Elisheva or vice versa, the repeated sheva will bring about a gezera that will prevent mother and child from getting Section 8!
December 23, 2012 8:58 pm at 8:58 pm #915223TheBearIsBackMemberCan Tzvi name his son Hirsch? Aryeh name his son Leib? Tzipora name her daughter Faiga?
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Ask a shyla by a vilde chaye or a birdbrain! (or is a deer a behema?)
(My friend’s wife’s name is Tzipora bas Chaya, which sounds very funny when translated!)
December 23, 2012 9:18 pm at 9:18 pm #915224oomisParticipantMember
Any other names that are shared by boys and girls? “
I always thought Yonah was solely a boy’s name, but my cousin’s son married an Israel girl name Yonah. Apparently in E”Y there are some names that are interchangeable.
December 23, 2012 10:00 pm at 10:00 pm #915225shmendrickMembershmoel “Is Simcha both a boys and a girls name?”
Ashkinazim use Simcha for boys while Sefardim use it for girls.
Likewise, the OP should be aware that Sefardim give children names after their living parents and are not choshesh for anything.
shmoel “Any other names that are shared by boys and girls?” There are several, such as Noah. There is also names with variations such as Boruch and Brachah, Chaya and Chayim.
Of interest to me is the historical evolution, that it is fairly “modern” the common practice to give a child more than one name, contrary to our tradition for nearly two thousand years that we only had one name (with certain exceptions like Yisro who had many names – but not used at the same time, and Moshe who had another name from his mother etc.).
December 23, 2012 11:29 pm at 11:29 pm #915226mewhoParticipantif she has a boy can she call him Ben Sheva?
December 24, 2012 4:20 am at 4:20 am #915227TheBearIsBackMember“There are several, such as Noah.”
I never bothered to learn to spell properly and hope I am right in saying Noa, the feminine name, has an ayin and hay at the end. Noach is spelled differently – two letters – nun ches. One thing I do know, the feminine name Noa has no ches at the end.
December 25, 2012 12:32 am at 12:32 am #915228WiseyParticipant??? means nice
By the way what does Batsheva mean?
In a mishnah is zrayim I found bnos shevah to mean a type of fig, are peeople named after figs?
Why is the word even in Yeshivish communities pronounced Batsheva instead of Bas?
December 25, 2012 3:28 am at 3:28 am #915229yehudayonaParticipantI’ve heard of Yonah as a girl’s name in America — once.
December 25, 2012 3:49 am at 3:49 am #915230147ParticipantLikewise, the OP should be aware that Sefardim give children names after their living parents and are not choshesh for anything. and so do Dutch Ashkenazim.
This is a beautiful Minhog, as the grandparent knows the person who shall bear his/her name, and the grandchild knows the grandparents who bore his/her name.
Until approximately 500-600 years, when Rabbi Yehudo haChodid put a ban on this practice for fear of the Maloch haMoves going to the wrong person bearing this name. even Ashkenazim named after living grandparents, so the entire practice of not naming after living ancestors is flimsy & not so ancient.
December 25, 2012 7:36 pm at 7:36 pm #915231apushatayidParticipantCan a batsheva name her daughter batshmona?
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