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June 26, 2016 7:25 pm at 7:25 pm #617886👑RebYidd23Participant
If an artist is a bad person, does it make his art treif?
June 26, 2016 7:32 pm at 7:32 pm #1158465JosephParticipantCan a good person create bad art?
June 26, 2016 9:27 pm at 9:27 pm #1158466hujuParticipantIf food is art, my schvigger is a great cook, but …. Does that answer the question?
June 27, 2016 1:26 am at 1:26 am #1158467zahavasdadParticipantPlease define a bad person?
June 27, 2016 1:57 am at 1:57 am #1158468👑RebYidd23ParticipantLet’s give “bad person” the same definition as “rasha”.
June 27, 2016 2:14 am at 2:14 am #1158469zahavasdadParticipantIs Chagall a rasha? how about Van Gogh
June 27, 2016 2:29 am at 2:29 am #1158470charliehallParticipantIt is clearly true that bad people can make good art. Richard Wagner was the leading anti-Semite of his generation. D. W. Griffith made racist films and Leni Riefenstahl made propaganda films for Hitler. Elisabeth Schwarzkopf was a membr of the Nazi Party. Bertolt Brecht defected to East Germany. Picasso was a member of the French Communist Party and Pete Seeger was (for a while) a member of the Communist Party USA. I am sure that others can come up with other examples.
June 27, 2016 2:15 pm at 2:15 pm #1158471cherrybimParticipantHitler, y’mach sh’mo, was a good artist.
June 27, 2016 2:49 pm at 2:49 pm #1158472zahavasdadParticipantActually Hitler was NOT a good artist, he was rejected from the Austrian Art School, he art is only remembered because he drew it, not because of any artistic value
June 27, 2016 4:49 pm at 4:49 pm #1158473cherrybimParticipantArt experts have stated that Hitler was a good artist. He was not an outstanding artist, but they say, he was a good artist.
June 27, 2016 6:12 pm at 6:12 pm #1158474zahavasdadParticipantI follow art a bit and nobody says that, just like nobody say mein Kampf is a great book of literature. In fact in incomprehensible
June 27, 2016 7:47 pm at 7:47 pm #1158475apushatayidParticipantcan a bad person make a good kugel?
June 27, 2016 8:20 pm at 8:20 pm #1158476👑RebYidd23ParticipantIs the art of a bad person treif?
June 28, 2016 4:40 am at 4:40 am #1158477Avi KParticipantRav Moshe has a teshuva (Iggerot Moshe, Even HaEzer 1,96), which many think is about Shlomo Carlebach, in which he said that songs written by a mumar are like a machine invented by a mumar.
June 28, 2016 4:36 pm at 4:36 pm #1158478cherrybimParticipant“I follow art a bit and nobody says that”
Are you certain?
June 28, 2016 5:19 pm at 5:19 pm #1158479apushatayidParticipant“Machine invented by a Mumar”
Please clarify.
June 30, 2016 6:05 pm at 6:05 pm #1158480👑RebYidd23ParticipantAre songs the same as machines?
July 1, 2016 4:30 am at 4:30 am #1158481Avi KParticipantRav Moshe was asked if it is permissible to play his songs. He replied that being that his songs have no kedusha it would be the same as using a machine made by a mumar. I suspect that he specifically meant a car as he was from Russia and the Russian word for “car” is “machina”. In fact, Henry Ford ym”s enabled the average person to afford a car with his assembly line.
July 1, 2016 8:23 pm at 8:23 pm #1158482It is Time for TruthParticipantHenry Ford originally was far from an anti semite.
It was the WJC’s fight with him in 1920 that turned him that way
July 3, 2016 3:03 am at 3:03 am #1158483charliehallParticipant“It was the WJC’s fight with him in 1920 that turned him that way”
Wrong. He was publicly expressing anti-Semitic views at least as early as 1919.
Why would you defend such a rasha?
July 3, 2016 1:37 pm at 1:37 pm #1158484nishtdayngesheftParticipantIf one would actually read the Teshuva, one would see that it is not what Avi K says it says.
I went through the teshuva and “Machines” is only mentioned in passing along with medicine.
July 3, 2016 4:26 pm at 4:26 pm #1158485Avi KParticipantNisht, the point is that he compared writing a song to inventing a machine.
Here is the passage that is relevant to this thread:
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July 3, 2016 9:40 pm at 9:40 pm #1158486It is Time for TruthParticipant‘Why would you defend such a rasha?”
Considering what he published you’re correct.
Be that as it may,
Henry Ford was in origin a real yankee (so straight ,as be crooked)
He still had some jewish neighbors,with whom he got along .One of them was an Rabbi.
Prior to the the WJC fight ,he used to send a free car annually
This american Rabbi always blamed the WJC for ford’s change.
July 3, 2016 9:43 pm at 9:43 pm #1158487It is Time for TruthParticipantProbably,Ford’s diislike of Holywood,The ‘red Scare’ and the Bolshevik revolution were all elements too
July 4, 2016 5:21 am at 5:21 am #1158488Avi KParticipantTime, wrong. He was a Michigan(d)er. I doubt if he had Jewish neighbors as at that time there were restrictive covenants that barred selling to Jews. He would certailny have lived i such a neighborhood as he even thought that there were too many Jews in baseball.
July 5, 2016 6:51 pm at 6:51 pm #1158489It is Time for TruthParticipantAvi K,
Before you comment ,read his biographies
He was of yankee stock and personality
Virtually all the bad stuff that he published was in 20s and 30s
Although in 1922, he wrote a something interesting regarding a distinguished jew that he met on a ship
July 6, 2016 12:07 am at 12:07 am #1158490WolfishMusingsParticipantI’m told by some that my photography is good.
I’ll let you judge for yourself whether or not that answers the OP’s question.
The Wolf
July 8, 2016 6:24 pm at 6:24 pm #1158491stretchyMemberWhat does bad person mean some who u think is better than u?
July 8, 2016 6:27 pm at 6:27 pm #1158492stretchyMemberIf it has any do with the guy.
Example: person a is as u call a “bad” person made an art i would say that it is only treif if the picture says something about the person.
July 8, 2016 6:44 pm at 6:44 pm #1158493👑RebYidd23ParticipantHow can you tell if it says something about the person?
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