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You’re assuming that the man is abusing the woman.
Also, asking produces more than a verbal answer.I would listen to the tone and language that he uses.
1. You should work on that. That is an extrme reaction to have after youve woken them all up preparing ofr a play by shrieking. And they want whats best for you they are concerned for your well being.
2. ” It is normal behavior for babies, for example, but I never call the cops on my neighbor who has three screaming babies.”
Ummm yes exactly. it is normal behavior for babies. IT isnt normal beghavior for adults. sure people fight/practice plays/get frightened by spiders/have the TV on but that wasnt what this sounded like to the OP.
3. Sadly he cant. IT doesnt work that wayRabbis are many wonderful things. They are not police officers. They don’t know how to investigate crimes. They don’t know how to collect and preserve evidence. They don’t even know what constitutes a crime.
Police officers are not educated in halacha. They can’t teach Gemara. They don’t officiate at weddings or perform brises. They don’t convict people of crimes. But they are trained to recognize and investigate possible crimes, collect evidence, preserve it, and give it to the District Attorney who determines whether criminal charges are appropriate according to the laws of the State.
Reporting a disturbance or something which you believe might be a crime is your civic duty as an American citizen. It doesn’t mean a person is guilty. That isn’t your call or the police officer’s. It is the only way the Justice system can determine if there might have been a crime and carry out its legal duties to investigate criminal activity.
Lilmod Ulelamaid,
How is this different from a playground rumor?
Do you not see the difference between hearing talk on the playground and personally witnessing a potentially dangerous event?
RebYidd23,
1. If I didn’t know which neighbor, I would judge all of them and hate them forever.
Well, they all hate you forever already because you disturbed them with the shrieking, so they probably don’t care what you think at this point.
2. Different people have different definitions of “shrieking”. It is normal behavior for babies, for example, but I never call the cops on my neighbor who has three screaming babies.
Most people are smart enough to distinguish benign sounds from frightening ones, despite the fact that language can be inexact. If someone says, “I ran inside and locked the door because I heard a growl”, I’m not going to retort, “well maybe it was your stomach growling!” You’re alive today because your ancestors somehow avoided getting eaten by lions.
3. He can just ask the neighbor if he is being abused.
You’d first have to determine which neighbor made the shrieks (assuming they survived).
anunran -“Reporting a disturbance or something which you believe might be a crime is your civic duty as an American citizen”
Who said a crime is occuring?
If you don’t know – call EMS!Health,
Who said a crime is occuring?
If you don’t know – call EMS!In my area, calling 911 gets you a dispatcher who, based on the information you give, either routes you to medical, fire, or police. Getting to pick which one goes to the neighbors may not be possible. I don’t think EMS wants to show up alone and uninvited in the midst of a potentially dangerous situation.
Avram -“In my area, calling 911 gets you a dispatcher who, based on the information you give, either routes you to medical, fire, or police”
In Lakewood, where I live, when you call 911, even if you’re calling EMS, a cop will show up, if available.
In the OP’s case, there probably is the option of calling Hatzolah, which is preferable, in this case!Just one question to all those who have posted above….would your answer to the original question have been different if the neighbor were not frum…..perhaps MO, reform or even a goy? For those of us whose view is that one should always err on the side of caution and summon first responders when one had reason to believe it was a case of possible physical abuse, the identify of the possible abuser (or the abused) shouldn’t make any difference whatsoever. Our obligations to protect another person are not a function of their hashkafah.
GH – you seem to be missing the point. Those who are hesitant to get help are doing so *because* he is Jewish. A non Jew would actually get help with no questions asked.
To Syag
Azoy….Thanks for corrected my misguided thinking…..we should be concerned more about the possible abuser if he is frum yid, than the victim, irrespective of whether the victim is a frum yid or a goy…..sounds totally reasonable???
Perhaps you should read and familiarize yourself with the thread and who posted what before hurling sarcasm.
Health,
In the OP’s case, there probably is the option of calling Hatzolah, which is preferable, in this case!
Ok, so let’s play it out. Suppose Hatzola agrees to go to your neighbor’s house without clear information on what’s going on. And they arrive in the midst of a potentially dangerous domestic situation, R”L. Or they knock on the door and get no response, but hear disturbing noises inside. What do they do?
” Or they knock on the door and get no response, but hear disturbing noises inside. What do they do?”
Hatzola members would be trained to handle such a situation, at least I know they are here in Chicago. I have called them with concerns of non-medical emergencies before. Or am I misunderstanding the question?Hatzola members are trained extensively on how/when to intervene in domestic abuse situations, including when to summon police or other first responders…I don’t think it is possible to generalize since each event will be very fact driven and they will need to rely upon their judgment as to the appropriate action. As someone else noted above, those decisions have to get made in real time and don’t always provide the opportunity to call “time-out” and consult with experts.
rats, I was set up and I fell for it! even though I thought I was careful.
🤦🏼
Syag Lchochma,
Hatzola members would be trained to handle such a situation
Gadolhadorah,
Hatzola members are trained extensively on how/when to intervene in domestic abuse situations, including when to summon police or other first responders
That’s good information to know.
GH, why would there be a difference between a Jew or non-Jew?
Kinda lost on whats happening, havent really read any of the recent posts, but my opinion in general is always better__ than ___. SO even if it turns out nothing was happening, better you called the police, because what if something WAS ahppening and because you didnt do anything about it someone CV got hurt? and dont be worried of what other people think. better a live enemy than a dead friend.
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After posting the above, I was redirected to the fourth page. Interesting.
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