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  • #610882
    jewishness
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    If you live in New Jersey please get out and vote for Steve Lonegan on October 16th – this coming Wednesday!

    Mr. Lonegan is a conservative constitutionalist who is much more in sync with Torah values than that Hollywood celebratory named booker.

    Booker is pro abortion even in a fetuses final months! He is pro gay rights. He is for expanded government and higher taxes and he loves Obamacare. And his city Newark is extremely crime ridden and he cuts the amount of cops on the streets!!!

    Booker is in his mid 40’s yet he never married. He certainly can get whomever he wants since he is a powerful politician with celeb status…what do his actions say about his family values?

    Do not be swayed by his smooth talk and charismatic personality. If the Jews will vote for Steve Lonegan it will be a very big kiddush Hashem! We will demonstrate that values are more important to us than any other possible consideration.

    #978968
    TheGoq
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    Ok so obviously you don’t like Booker but what do you actually know about Lonegan?

    and btw im in my mid forties and never married what exactly are you implying?

    #978969
    jewishness
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    “Ok so obviously you don’t like Booker but what do you actually know about Lonegan?”

    A) I wrote that “Mr. Lonegan is a conservative constitutionalist, and B) I wrote all the things which Booker is, such as pro abortion, gay rights etc. which Lonegan is not (part of what being a conservative means) so its very clear.

    “and btw i’m in my mid forties and never married what exactly are you implying?”

    Are you a powerful charismatic politician who can probably marry anyone you want? Booker can, yet he is a bachelor. Especially in politics where even liberals like to show of a semblance of normal married life. Goes to show who bookie really is…

    Unless you are also a mayor of a very large city….

    #978970
    yehudayona
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    Hey, I just looked up Lonegan and he has something in common with David Patterson — they’re both legally blind.

    #978971
    yehudayona
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    Ed Koch was the charismatic mayor of a much larger city, yet he never married.

    #978972
    jewishness
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    Ed Koch also happened to be a liberal. He was pro alternative life styles and he certainly was not a family man.

    As Jews, we need to place a heavy emphases on values. Its not about charisma. Its about what we stand for. If we truly follow the Torah we would never vote for the man who promotes anti Torah values.

    The Jews of New Jersey have an opportunity this week to make a big Kiddush Hashem. They can demonstrate that they are truly a light unto the nations.

    #978973
    streekgeek
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    Living in NJ, I must admit that I’ve heard a lot about Booker, and barely anything about Lonegan. I’m really not in to politics, so if not for the fact that I am a registered Republican, I would vote for Booker just because his name is more familiar to me.

    On a different note, the fact that he is pro gay rights really shouldn’t scare us off that much. It doesn’t affect you as person. I agree, it’s not moral and it’s not the way we do things, but would you want religious law to dictate the government? Are you not pro the separation of church and state?

    #978974
    heretohelp
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    The idea that a politician supports “Torah values” is interesting. Are they really supporting Torah values if they are doing so by accident? I don’t think Steve Lonegan cares one lick for the Torah, or Jews for that matter one way or the other (I’m not saying that he’s anti-semitic at all, please don’t misunderstand). So, there are Torah values contained in the Torah, and there are frum Jews who follow the Torah and also listen to Mark Levin and Rush Limbaugh (pretty sure there’s nothing wrong with that) on the radio and adopt their politics and in this instance, their politics dictate that one support Lonegan over Booker, so Lonegan is now the Torah candidate? I get it, but its a little odd because many of the so-called Torah candidates are also the Je$u$ candidates.

    #978975
    kfb
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    Newark’s unemployment rate is 14% under Booker. If you want higher taxes in New Jersey then vote for Booker. If you want less taxes in New Jersey then vote for Lonegan.

    #978976
    yaakov doe
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    What was the Newark unemployment rate before Booker? I think Newark’s problems go back to the time Booker was an infant.

    The 2 candidates are polar opposites so the final result will be interesting.

    #978977
    writersoul
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    “Booker is in his mid 40’s yet he never married. He certainly can get whomever he wants since he is a powerful politician with celeb status…what do his actions say about his family values?”

    Seriously? Politicians don’t HAVE to get married just because they’re politicians. Give him a break.

    heretohelp: While some of it is due to the whole 614th mitzvah of Republicanism (which is actually VERY recent- Jews used to be predominantly Democrat), some of it is just because, as in the case of gay marriage, Catholics and Jews agree on some stuff.

    #978978
    TheGoq
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    So are the values of single people not as important or as good as those who are married and kids?

    #978979
    jewishness
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    No one could care less what Lonegan or Booker’s PERSONAL beliefs are PER SE. The issue is that a senetor actually votes on important legislation.

    So if Booker is, say, pro abortion, then (although we don’t give a lick about his views per se) he will vote that way. And its one more vote in favor of keeping and promoting abortion. A vote by Lonegan would be in favor of outlawing it.

    Now, the Torah considers abortion murder (as does common sense. A fetus is a alive no? Booker would suck out the fetus in the 8th month! Ym”sh) Hence we should vote for Lonegan.

    Why is it so complicated?

    #978980
    popup
    Member

    “So are the values of single people not as important or as good as those who are married and kids? “

    How are a candidate values measured:

    1. Record/ What they accomplished

    2.Family/ lifestyle/qualities

    A single candidate may not relate to married family life struggles as well as someone who has to deal with supporting their own family. tuition, childcare, housing, expenses in general-

    I don’t know much but I saw one debate and Booker is more charismatic than Lonegan, and they appear to be polar opposites, as Booker claims Lonegan represents the far right republican party. Which don’t compromise on moral values Booker is a real liberal both are extremes

    (not that we’re affected since we make our own choices with our rights/freedom)

    #978981
    writersoul
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    jewishness- if it’s all based on what they’re each likely to vote for, then what does Booker’s marital status have to do with anything?

    #978982
    TheGoq
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    Single people are citizens too why do married with children people think their values supersede all others.

    #978983
    Brony
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    I believe the most important value for a politician is the ability to obfuscate important issues, foist their personal beliefs and interests on others, and mischaracterize and thereby discredit their opponents.

    Vote Jewishness for Governor.

    #978984
    jewishness
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    writersoul – It is about how these politicians will effect us and they effect us most by how they vote on issues.

    Popup says it well – that we can measure a candidate by his record as well as by his life choices since they both give us a clear indication about what we can expect. Booker has a very liberal record which is at odds with Torah values. His lifestyle also is at odds with a Jewish way of life. Bachelorhood, Hollywood lifestyle… his externalities are much more important to him than family life.

    #978985
    writersoul
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    jewishness: look, if you live in NJ and decide to vote for Lonegan over Booker, let it be because he might vote for things you don’t like, not because he didn’t get married. It’s not even as though he’s Jewish and has a chiyuv to get married that he’s avoiding- it’s completely his decision. HE ISN’T JEWISH- he doesn’t have to live in accordance with a Jewish way of life. If he votes the way you want him to vote, which is the entire point of a democratic republic, then his lifestyle has nothing to do with anything. The only way it could make even the slightest shred of difference is if something about his background will deliberately CAUSE him to vote a specific way, in which case still, just focus on the issues not the reasons behind them.

    He could make an awful senator for all I know, but it won’t be because he can’t do Bring Your Kid To Work Day.

    #978986
    jewishness
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    Writersoul – I never said that the mere fact that booker is a bachelor is grounds for not voting for him. Rather, it is a combination of a number of factors. Taking into account the lifestyle of a politician is important. He is not a family man. He is a Hollywood kind of guy. His liberal record is clear. He is pro gays. He is pro abortion. He is pro Obama care. He does not even live in his town of Newark. These are all negatives.

    According to you, Weiner and Spitzer should still be in power since after all who cares about their private life. Wrong. A politician has to live up to a standard.

    And besides, it is a chillul Hashem when Jews vote for a candidate who’s beliefs and lifestyle is immoral. Yeshaya Hanavi said that we ought to be A Light unto the Nations. Such a light shines best when the world sees how we mean business when it comes to our values.

    #978987
    ubiquitin
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    Jewishness, 2 things

    1) There are many Jewish values I’m not sure why you are focussing on two particular ones. Open a navi They didnt spend the bulk of their time preaching about the values you focus on. Helping the poor almanos, etc comes first.

    2) The torah does not consider abortion murder, thats the catholic view.

    #978988
    heretohelp
    Member

    So now its immoral to not be married?

    As for Hollywood lifestyle, I don’t know what you’re talking about. There are no stories of Booker cavorting with different women, doing drugs, etc. To the extent he is famous it is because he is a politician. Hello! To the extent he seeks even greater fame, it is to advance his political career.

    How to win an election- step 1, people should recognize your name instead of going who?

    Booker’s life may not be what you want for your Jewish children, that’s fine. And you might disagree with his politics, also fine. But he isn’t a bad guy. Rather, as far as I can tell, he’s something of a mensch- he rushed into a burning house on his street to help save the people inside.

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