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How can you be sure any kitchen equipment (i.e. toasters, food processors) or utensils (forks, bowls) you purchase, even if sold as new, isn’t a returned purchase from a previous customer that was resold after being made treif or milichigs/fleishigs? This might be the case whether purchased in Walmart, ShopRite, Amazon or a frum store.
How can you be sure when buying an apple that someone didn’t inject it with lard?
Use plastic utensils and paper plates
DY: you do realize that your analogy is unfair as the chances of each happening are not comparable.
From a non Halachic POV, just as general observations: a Heimish store with a Mikva will generally not accept returns of toveled stuff, even if you didn’t use it. I can’t imagine them accepting used utensils, and these items are generally extensively packaged so it would be pretty obvious to the shopkeeper. Department stores I believe sell returned utensils as open stock, which I would avoid. I’m not sure they always do though.
I think it’s rare enough that if the packaging looks intact, you don’t need to assume it’s used.
If the item is refurbished, I would imagine there would be a problem.
How can you eat anything, why don’t you have to assume you’re a pig, and your saliva is yotzei min hatamei?
DY: you do realize that your analogy is unfair as the chances of each happening are not comparable.
From a non Halachic POV, just as general observations:…
Well, I am speaking from a halachic POV. ?????? ????? ?? ???????.
How can you eat anything, why don’t you have to assume you’re a pig, and your saliva is yotzei min hatamei?
Pig saliva is nosein ta’am lifgam.
Pig saliva is nosein ta’am lifgam.
Not to a pig it isn’t.
Anyhow, pigs aren’t Jewish and can eat tarfus. You’re such an amaaretz!
(not as big as me)
Pig saliva is nosein ta’am lifgam.
Not to a pig it isn’t.
And if it was than it would depend on how much you are salivating, ie if its a geshmak doughnut (donut to you yanks) than it could be that the doughnut is bottul beshishishim of your saliva, oink oink oink
You don’t have to assume you’re a pig anyway. You can get your DNA tested to check.
Are the results of DNA testing acceptable testimony l’halacha?
Here’s my answer (for what little it’s worth).
Most dishes are new and unused.
Even if some were used, it’s been more than 24 hours (safeik derabanan lehakel).
When you find a piece in the street, you may assume it is kosher if certain conditions are met (majority sold as kosher, near a store where kosher food is served).
Why should this be any different? The vast majority of appliances are, in fact, new.
The Wolf
Although B’dieved we can rely on Pogum after 24 hours, we don’t rely on it Lekatchila. So if you know for sure that an item is refurbished, or the box and packaging looks like it was previously opened and resealed, and especially if you see food specs and other obvious signs that the item was used and returned, you should not buy it and return it if you already did.
Just my opinion, which everyone is entitled to. I am not a kashrus rabbi.
Who says the halacha definition of a pig goes by pig DNA?
Just to clarify, for those saying the rate of return in retail is high — which may be true and more so for online purchases — if something has been returned it USUALLY DOES NOT EQUAL USED. Many people return stuff because they don’t like the color, size, shape etc. and don’t try it (our concern is mainly cook/ eat hot food with it) first.
So bottom line, there is probably a percentage of used utensils that get sold as new, but it’s not so high either.
It doesn’t go completely on that, but since you are really supposed to assume that you are a horse, and it is assumed that horses don’t have pig DNA and pigs don’t have horse DNA, if you get your DNA tested and you don’t have pig DNA you can be assumed to be a horse.
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