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Minhag? Why?
Can I save them for the Erevan Pesach chometz fire?
Erev Pesach chometz fire is our minhug.
the reason you burn it is because its not permitet to use it since it was designated for a mitzvah. However you can say before hand that you only designate the oil that will be used and not the leftover oil.
How do you safely store oily wicks for 3 (or 4) months? The Minhag I have is to use the Lulav to start the Chometz fire, The wicks I burn immediately.
We burn the Lulav too, with the chometz.
for years i poured the left over oil into a cup, with the wicks and threw it into the erev pesach fire.
this year i saw that you should burn it on the 8th day of chanuka as a shmira.
being i never pass up on a segulah, i pored the oil into a frying pan, lined all the wicks up on the side, put pan on slant, so the oil drains towards wicks, lit. to my surprise and excitement every last drop was burned, even the wicks were left to ashes.
Why dont you just toss it?
Why wait, use the wicks for havdala this motzei shabbos.
Sacrilege
It’s not respectful, to throw something used for a mitzvah, into the garbage.
lulav, esrog, tzizis, tallis, etc..
the oil you have to burn
i was told you can throw the wicks away if you want, but you have to wrap them up first and if possible place them atop all the other “items” in the garbage
Interesting. I wonder if that applies as well to the wicks from the Shabbos lights (Eeees lights with oil). Offhand, I can’t think of a reason why they wouldn’t (although, with my kurm hashkafos, who knows, right?)
The Wolf
” Why dont you just toss it? “
You, the massive Brisk-ette?.. I’m surprised you did’nt suggest that they need to be burnt beyond recognition.
Toss them, indeed 😮
BPT
You are forgetting about my obsession w cleanliness and order.
“I wonder if that applies as well to the wicks from the Shabbos lights”
I think the reason people took to the menorah wicks above shabbos wicks, is that its only once a year, so they can be big about it. Ditto for the lulav.
Speaking for myself, there’s also something comforting about the close of one yom tov being the precursor to the next one (like, for example, when I’m saying the last al haninsim, I’m thinking ahead to purim. It keeps me going)
maah Check with your Rav about the pan. The oil is Assur to benefit from
Wolf there is vast diff btwn shabbos candles & Cahnuka candles
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MOD80 Interesting Psak seems like a compromise. Niether the S”A or
M”B mention wicks. The Kitzur does. The ???? ????? has a different approach to the whole issue.
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Seems from the ??? that Halacha for the wicks after Chanuka is the same as during
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The above could have been the basis for MOD80’s Rav
I could not find the ?”? the ???? ?????? quotes but it could be a factor for being Matir using the oil for Shabbos.
See Piskei Teshuvos “There is a Minhag to save until erev Pesach & burn with Chametz”
Wolf there is vast diff btwn shabbos candles & Cahnuka candles
???? ??? ARE FOR OUR PLEASURE. ???? ????? ?? ?????? ????? ???
That’s absolutely true. Nonetheless, in both cases, the wicks are items that are used for mitzvos and perhaps should not be casually thrown out. I don’t think it matters whether we can use the light for our benefit or not with regard to disposal of the wicks.
The Wolf
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The Wolf
Wolf there is vast diff btwn shabbos candles & Chanukah candles
???? ??? ARE FOR OUR PLEASURE. ???? ????? ?? ?????? ????? ???
That’s absolutely true. Nonetheless, in both cases, the wicks are items that are used for mitzvos and perhaps should not be casually thrown out. I don’t think it matters whether we can use the light for our benefit or not with regard to disposal of the wicks.
The Wolf
Interesting point!!! but what does Eeees do with the bits & pieces of ????? ??? ? Wrap them up separately?
aren’t they ????? ???? as well? Ask your Rav, I am curios.
maah
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this year i saw that you should burn it on the 8th day of chanuka as a shmira.
Very interesting. I alwas knew that keeping Mitzva left overs is a Shmira, IE Afikomen, Daled Minim Hoshanot etc but destroying? Please divulge your source
Trying to be helpful
You did say please, so here goes. From daily halacha.
Hilchos Chanukah
1640. Based upon the Gemara in Sukkah (38a) and the words of Maoz Tzur “Uminosar Kankanim Na’aseh Nes” (from the leftover oil in the jugs a miracle was done) the burning of the used wicks and leftover oil on the 8th day of Chanukah is mentioned in seforim to be a segulah that a) one should not c’v be murdered, and b) to be saved from tragedy. Sefer Halichos Yosef 677:4
1641. Some have the custom to say Lamenatzeach B’niginos Mizmor Shir (Tehillim 67) at the burning of the used wicks and leftover oil. {This perek is found in many siddurim in the form of a Menorah}. Sefer Halichos Yosef 677:4
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Wolf-
From my understanding the reason why there are those who say the Chanuka lights are ????? ?????? even after the mitzva is over is specifically because during the mitzva one may not derive ???? from them, and therefore in the person’s mind he put that oil away for a mitzva so now he can’t use it for something else. However with Shabbos candles that ???? doesn’t apply, because they are made to have ???? from, during the time of the mitzva.
Trying to be helpful-
If I’m not mistaken the Beis Yosef (I think in the end of 678) brings down someone who says to burn it right away, because by keeping it around one might come to use it.
To yitayningwut
From my understanding the …. sholuld be corrected to my memory of the ??? ????
If I’m not mistaken the Beis Yosef …. you are mistaken it is the Tur who says ????? ?”? ??????
To Maah Thanks FYI Horav Lebowitz quotes a Sefer Halichos Yosef
I tried to track the Sefer & found a title Page of a Sefer (another likut) published ???”? with the author’s initials only
yitayningwut
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Very interesting. I alwas knew that keeping Mitzva left overs is a Shmira, IE Afikomen, Daled Minim Hoshanot etc but destroying? Please divulge your source
Oily wicks pose a danger of spontaneous combustion.
From my understanding the reason why there are those who say the Chanuka lights are ????? ?????? even after the mitzva is over is specifically because during the mitzva one may not derive ???? from them, and therefore in the person’s mind he put that oil away for a mitzva so now he can’t use it for something else. However with Shabbos candles that ???? doesn’t apply, because they are made to have ???? from, during the time of the mitzva.
Unless I’m mistaken, we’re not discussing having further benefit from the wicks… we’re discussing the proper way to dispose of them once they’ve served their purpose for the mitzvah. In that, I’m not certain that there is a difference between whether they are “huksha l’mitzvosom” or not or whether the wicks are “assur b’hana’ah” or not.
There’s no hana’ah in disposing of wicks from Channukah or Shabbos lights. The only question (as I understand it) is regarding the proper way to dispose of something that was used for a mitzvah.
Or am I entirely misreading this conversation?
The Wolf
Wolf There was no conversation re “proper disposal” you asked & I acknowledged your good question.
To rephrase your question Why are the leftover Shabbos wicks and drippings (Shabbos food for that matter) different than worn tzitzis which should not be disposed off ???? ?????
Trying to be helpful-
Chill. I learned my lesson last time and therefore specifically wrote if I’m not mistaken when I was quoting from memory. As for the B”Y, ain hochi nami, but when I have a pshat that I come up with myself with my chavrusa, in this kind of context, unless someone needs a makor, I’ll just say something like from my understanding, gufa because I don’t have a Tur offhand and can’t vouch that it’s brought down inside. The thing about burning right away I was sure about, though apparently I forgot that it was mefurash in the Tur. BTW I rarely give a response to a halacha sheila here without saying ask your rav, because I am fully aware that while I am at my computer I am way too lazy and incapable to check everything I say so that it be perfect enough to be relied upon, and everything I say is in a much lighter context. Not that I make anything up, chas veshalom; my point is that I don’t expect, nor should I, in my opinion, that people are going and paskening based on what yitayningwut quoted. I intend that my svaros should be food for thought and my references checked up before relying upon them.
yitayningwut wrote Trying to be helpful- Chill
No need to chill. I was not criticising or finding fault. ??? ????? ??? ? ??? is a common phenomonon . I hope your Yiddish is good enough to get the gist of that saying, I just cannot figure out how translate it.
What do you say to Wolf’s Q about ??? ????? ?
Wolf, the idea is that something that is Huktza Lemitzvassa belongs entirely to the Mitzva, it is more a Chefetz Shel Mitzva than something that is used for a Mitzva but remains yours for the usage all along.
deiyazooger, Where did you see/hear that a T’nai would help? It seems from the Beis Yosef and the Bach that the problem is even if it burned more than a half hour every night, because the rest is mixed in with it.
As for the final Halacha, Hacham David Yosef rules in his Torat Ha’mo’adim (Hanukah, p. 126) that one should preferably stipulate before lighting candles on eighth and final night of Hanukah that the status of Kedusha applies only to the oil that burns during the first half-hour. Then, if the candles burn for a half-hour or longer, he may use the leftover oil as he pleases. If he did not make such a stipulation, or if he did but the candles were extinguished within a half-hour, then he should collect the leftover oil after Hanukah and burn it separately. Leftover oil from the candles lit on the first seven nights should simply be used for lighting the subsequent night, which is permissible according to all authorities
From a shiur by Horav Eli Mansour http://www.dailyhalacha.com/Display.asp?PageIndex=1&ClipID=1559
Technically this should only apply to the amount of oil needed to light for the first half hour since beyond that is not a mitzva. However since a person does not specifically say this, we are machmir and do not use any of the oil. What about leftover oil from the bottle that was never used? The Biur Halacha says that this oil is not assur in any manner since it wasn’t in a lit glass
from http://www.revach.net/halacha/tshuvos/Leftover-Oil-Halacha-and-Minhagim/1503
Trying to be helpful-
Gotcha.
Regarding the question, I need to look up a few things, but the truth is I had shver the whole idea that tzitzis may not be thrown out derech bizayon, when the gemara in Shabbos 22a and the rishonim there seem to indicate that derech bizayon is only a problem while the mitzva is ‘active’ (not sure if that’s a good translation of ??????). Perhaps the pshat is that since it’s ????? ?????? it still has somewhat of a din of ??????, in which case wouldn’t apply to Shabbos candles and the like. But iy”h I’ll be me’ayen. (I also think my rav has a teshuva on this, I’ll check and try to post what he says)
My rav (Rav Yitzchak Abadi, in ??”? ??? ???? ?”? ??”? ??’ ??-??) brings a shtickel from a talmid that with regard to ????? one is allowed to throw them out, even according to the Rema who brings a Kol Bo and says ??? ????? ??? ???? ????? ?????? ????? ?????. His basis for this is a ???? that the Gra asks, and the words of the Kol Bo himself who writes ????? ???? ????? ????? ?????. He therefore explains that ????, throwing it in the garbage, is not the ????? the Rema refers to. In the second teshuva he has an arichus about problems with the ???? of the mechaber and the Rema and what exactly their shitos are, but ????? he comes out that the only problem of ??? ????? is for something like ?????, but not throwing in the garbage.
DTV ?? ????’? ????
You are in E”Y?
In 1993, Rabbi Abadi moved to Jerusalem, Israel, where he opened a Kollel to continue his teachings abroad.
Lol, so someone finally gets my name. No, I’m in Lakewood. He moved back a couple of years ago and has a small shul in Lakewood.
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I am aware. If I had time I would cite the entire teshuva where he discusses this at length, but I just don’t have the time right now.
“Interesting point!!! but what does Eeees do with the bits & pieces of ????? ??? ? Wrap them up separately?
aren’t they ????? ???? as well? Ask your Rav, I am curios.”
Actually any food bigger then a k’zeiyis thrown out should be wrapped so it does not get dirty because of ???? ??????
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