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    Since the burka is in the news alot lately, I would like to make the following statement:

    The burka was given to Moshe at Sinai. If you don’t believe this, you are a kofer.

    The minhag was forgotten for many generations, due to the negative influences from Western culture.

    However, thanks to yechidim like HaAdmor HaRav Helbrantz from Montreal, this Halacha L’Moshe MiSinai for women to wear the burka is now being reinstated. All those who do not accept are clearly kofrim.

    (As heard from a member of the Lev Tahor community.)

    #975406
    akuperma
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    The only reason it is prohibited to wear a “burka” is that it is imitating the goyim (similar to a nun’s habit, which is quite modest, but likewise prohibited). In that respect, wearing a burka is similar to have a tree for the holiday that occurs in late December, or engaging in “trick or treating” for the holiday that occurs in late October, or engaging in celebrations (drunken or somber) in honor of a possibly unhistorical someone the Irish honor in March.

    It also might bed prohibited as being something “hadash” in light of a general rule on creating something new.

    #975407
    apushatayid
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    I had a cheese burqua today. Was delicious.

    #975408

    I don’t understand, akuperma.

    If the burka is Halach L’Moshe MiSinai, how could it be considered “hadash” or “imitating the goyim”. It is Torah itself!!

    And if you don’t agree that the burka is Halacha L’Moshe MiSinai, clearly you are a kofer, as expounded upon by HaAdmor HaRav Helbrantz Shlita.

    (as heard from a member of the Lev Tahor community.)

    #975409
    apushatayid
    Participant

    not sure about burkas, but the knish, surely is halacha limoshe misinai.

    #975410
    Burnt Steak
    Participant

    What is the point of this thread? Sounds trollish

    #975411
    WIY
    Member

    Its been a while since ive had a potato burka lol.

    #975413
    econjew
    Member

    If you have to choose between keeping halacha and not blending into the gentiles, then keep halacha. The fact that the ???? is virtually gone from the Jewish community is a bit saddening. We invented the hijab!

    #975414
    truthsharer
    Member

    YFL, you are correct, IF you are a member of that cult, then indeed you should follow the cult leader. Howver, for Jews, a Burqa is assur.

    (This reminds me that I need to get some pizza puffs tonight.)

    #975415
    writersoul
    Participant

    Judging by a lot of preschool parsha sheets, the streimel is apparently halacha leMoshe (literally) miSinai.

    #975416
    golfer
    Participant

    writersoul, those parsha sheets are a hoot!

    Forget the shtreimels, please don’t tell me you didn’t get the one where eirev rav (clearly marked as eirev rav) are wearing the black hats / fedoras.

    As for me personally, spinach.

    #975418
    live right
    Member

    the jewish men were definitely not wearing shtreimels at Har Sinai. they were in the DESERT for heaven’s sake!

    #975419

    And the medrash says Moshe only saw Hashems tefillin. It does not say he saw His Tzitzis. So presumably we can infer that Hashem didn’t Wear, Kaveyachol, His Tzitzis out.

    #975420
    Sam2
    Participant

    TU731: That is a horrible Ra’ayah for several reasons. I really hope your post was a joke.

    #975421
    Anonymous1000
    Participant

    All of 4 ladies wear burkas wow big news. How many do you see on a regular basis? How many do you have anything to do with? How about instead of wasting time thinking about some other communities problems we focus on our own. In the community I live if there is any tznius problem it is not burkas.

    Maybe people believe sheitels down to the waist is Torah misinai after all sarah emainu must of had at least 3.

    #975422
    live right
    Member

    sara imeinu didn’t leave her tent and wud therefore have no need for shaitels. she wore pre-tieds

    #975423
    ikno
    Member

    maybe esther hamalka wore a green burka…

    please note the depth in this comment!

    #975424
    SanityIsOverrated
    Participant

    Live Right- How did Sara Imeinu travel then?!!

    #975425
    sharp
    Member

    I don’t think any of us would know what Sara Imeinu wore. Really, now?

    Anyhow, I think today’s burka wearers are trolls.

    #975426
    yeshivaguy45
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    ikno, i understand the line. You’re basing it on the Gemara.

    #975427
    Shopping613 🌠
    Participant

    I agree that it looks like its from the goyim, but according to them, we jews had the idea first and as usual the goyim are being copy cats. but I saw alot of articles on it, its not a cult, there is no leader, these people just think that is the way women are meant to dress, thats how they are interperting it, they feel more comfortable that way, and who knows????

    MAYBE THEY ARE RIGHT???!?!?!?!? If they are, how many aveiros have we “normal” women done???!?! By not wearing what we shoulld?!?!?

    WOULD WE GO TO GEHENOM FOR CONSTANTLY NOT BEING TZINYUS IF THEY ARE RIGHT?????

    #975428
    notasheep
    Member

    Shopping, I can refer you to a good doctor, you seem to have a problem with your fingers on the punctuation keys.

    #975429
    yeshivaguy45
    Participant

    Shopping, I advise you and everyone else who thinks a burka should be worn to look at Gial Manolson’s book on Tznius, Outside Inside. Among other things, it explains why Jewish women don’t dress like muslims.

    #975430
    akuperma
    Participant

    No one discovers a new halacha mi-Sinai in the 21st century.

    We have 3000 years of mesoret, and know generally how people have dressed, and we have never worn such a garment – therefore we have a mesoret that it is “new”, and “chodash asur min haTorah.”

    #975431
    yeshivaguy45
    Participant

    Sorry that was a typo. I meant Gila Manolson

    #975432
    SanityIsOverrated
    Participant

    Also, if you respect the opinion of Rabbis in general (obviously many of us end up getting annoyed with one Rabbi or another, but I’m referring to the general consensus of Rabbis), then you have nothing to fear. No Rabbi as of yet (that I know of) has been completely convinced of it being necessary. Some just agree that it’s ok for an individual to choose it. (from what I understood in the Mishpacha article)

    I actually kinda like the burka. There’s something very spy-like about it. If I thought it was ok, I’d wear it just to feel like I’m up to something secretive. >.>

    #975433
    zahavasdad
    Participant

    In Prague the building from before the war are still there as are the treasures. In the Chevra Kadisha building there is series of watercolors explaining a jewish funeral in pictures from the 1700’s.

    The picture show people surrounding the death bed, Tahara, Burial, the mourning crying and the mourning sitting shiva. Basically what a burial looked like in the 18th century Prague.

    NONE of the people in the watercolors are wearing strimels or Beckashers and many didnt even have beards

    #975434
    Shopping613 🌠
    Participant

    Im not taking sides, Im saying how you should look at the flip side sometimes.

    I respect both opinions, and I will probobly never wear a burka cuz I dont fhink thats what Hashem wants from me, but others may feel that way, you shouldnt judge them.

    #975435
    nishtdayngesheft
    Participant

    ZD,

    Fascinating observation.

    However, I have never seen people wearing “strimels” or “Beckashers”(sic)at any of the funerals that I have unfortunately attended, even among the most chassidic.

    Can you guess why? According to you that would be proof that Jews nowadays do not wear Shtreimlich or Bekeshes, yet that is clearly not the case.

    So how do you explain that?

    #975436
    zahavasdad
    Participant

    These were not photos, they were watercolors and the artist just painted people as he saw them in general and the first watercolor was not of a funeral, but rather someone sick in bed (It was supposed to be his deathbed).

    Artists dont always have models (These were not meant to be masterpieces) . I would have loved to have taken of picture of these watercolors as I was fascinated by them, but it wasnt allowed 🙁

    Its amazing they have survived.

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