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Is there anything wrong with Buchorim wearing designer clothing, in your opinion?
Yes, I can’t afford it.
I can but anyone else who does it is a baal gayvah.
I’ll let him know.
You’re asking MY opinion? In my opinion yes, there is something wrong. Now don’t get me wrong, a talmid chacham should definitely be dignified in his mode of dress, everything should be spotlessly clean, fresh. He should illuminate a sense of holiness and purity about him. We find Rabbi Yochanan gave attention to his clothing – ??????. Gemarah also discusses the serious offense of a talmid chacham wearing sullied clothing.
But paying too much attention to clothing is wrong – that’s the lesson of ???? ?????? ???? ?????, where R. Yehoshua answered, had they paid less attention to their beauty, they would be more learned. (As seforim expound, there’s nothing wrong with natural beauty, it’s an adornment for the Torah, it’s the exceedingly extra attention afforded that takes away from one’s ultimate goal)
– My opinion (you asked for it, didn’t you?)
arent all clothing designer clothing?
I think that a man who truly feels wealthy or refined and has self respect does not need a little alligator or polo symbol to make him feel good about himself. Now if the bochur feels he has to make an impression with a designer label, that gives you an insight into his persona. Or it could be peer pressure to fit in to some perceived category of cool.
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Or it could be boss or Astor and black or something similar. Not everything name brand needs to be an advertisement for the company. More expensive clothes generally are cut better abd look nicer. I think it depends whether he’s wearing it to prove a point or because its better quality. Either way who’s business is it to judge?
what gets me more are the guys who wont chas veshlom wear anyhting identifiable as brand name or flashy for fear of not seeming yeshivish, but are sure to spend 200 dollars on a tie and a grand on a suit because only the best is good enough for them. ichsa.
No, silly question
If it is a deigner make but doesn’t splash it all over – for example if the label is inside and there is no sign of it outside more than the fact that it looks nice and is better quality, then of course there is no problem. If the guy is only wearing it so that other people can see it, then you are running into problems.
But why is the question to “Bochurim” – are balabatim any better off?
Mods- Sleeping?
I’m very unpleasantly surprised to read personal info- with name and all- here in the venerable CR, where the ever vigilant mods delete posts containing the tiniest mahshehu of impropriety.
Or are we only here to protect our own personal info as choshuve CR posters, while we blithely post personal details about our friends and neighbours?
Or was this post allowed because while Mods do not allow any gossip and remarks about clearly identified persons of interest, this person was a person of SO MUCH interest that this level of interest superceded any prior rules established in the CR?
Or what?
Having said that, and without reference to any specific individuals, lack of designer labeling is not indicative of lack of class or money. Au contraire. The guys walking around with Ferragamo or Pucci vivaciously displayed across their chests, lapels, belt buckles, or the temple of their eyeglasses, are Not the classy guys. Or the wealthy ones. You can spend a whole lot more, and cut a much sharper figure, having your suits and shirts discreetly custom tailored by a grey haired gentleman with an accent thicker than a bolognese sauce, who leaves no trace of his identity anywhere on the garment.
A Ralph lauren Shirt costs about $60 I think. While too expensive for me, I dont think its too out of line.
An Armani Suit costs over $1000, And I best most could not indentify one on sight without seeing the label
everything has a label and a designer. it doesnt bother me if your label of choice says marc jacobs, i’ll stick with fruit of the loom.
“And I best most could not indentify one on sight without seeing the label”
Perhaps you couldn’t tell the designer, but I sure was able to spot a $1000 suit from 50 feet away, at the Saks 5th Ave outlet in Jersey Gardens Mall last year (actually it was marked down from $2799 to $1499).
golfer +1 on your first post
1. Who would notice given the rather dull dress code we seem have imposed on ourselves?
What does a designer white shirt with plain suit look like?
2. Borsolino is a popular designer and everyone seems to like it.
3. Many frum people shop at “Second hand” shops, so a second hand name brand designer might be cheaper than something brand new from Walmart’s (where non-New Yorkers are allowed to buy inexpensive new stuff at reasonable prices).
I third what golfer said in his first post. Mods??
“The chacham Tzvi, when he heard that some rabbonim wanted to ban gebroskt, said, there are so little things a yid can eat on Pesach already, why rob him of his Taanug Yom Tov of gebroskt. “
This was obviously written before the gebrukts free, Kosher for Pesach gnocchi and fusili pasta that I found in the freezer section.
Considering the fact that one can only own so many white shirts, I don’t think it makes a difference.
Just asking – how much cost Borsalino or any other nice designer black hat?
And then you have to worry about the hat brushes, and other things, an most men own at least two. One for shabbos, and one for weekday.
i’m bringing style back, those yeshiva guys don’t know how to act. ladies, dudes, errybody: hit me wit yo fashion q’s.
gotta be more specific homie. no white pants before labor day is a good start doe. gotta resist dat urge.
bad: anything wit a visible logo
good: BB (and not dat 346 junk), Nordstrom label (not da ones wit da stoopid sailboat, see above), Kirkland signature, BR (not outlet), j crew (not outlet), bonobos
buy the slimmest fit you can fit comfortably into. non-iron > dry clean.
and don’t be the weirdo who wears cuff links during the week.
What about ties? What kinds of ties are in style now?
Nothing wrong with it if you’re buying the clothes for quality rather than to show off, imo.
1) The halachah is that a ben torah must dress (and act) in a way that denotes respectability. The gemara says that one who dresses sloppily and causes the torah to be looked down upon is chayav meesah (Shabbos 114b) (if I gave the wrong place I am sure someone will correct it).
2) Charles Thywitt (considered a choshuv company)shirts were recently on sale for $30. Jos.A.Bank was $26. Hat Box Wrinkle-free shirts were 3 for $100. Mabye I can’t afford to buy non-designer.
3)Somebody who only buys black pants because he wants to portray a certain image is just as into his clothes as one who buys white pants. My point is; don’t pick on the clothing, pick on the image the wearer is trying to portray(the seebah, not the siman, in yeshivishe shprach).
So sorry about wearing that “I hate midgets” t-shirt last week, totes forgot about the no white after labor day rule, whoops
i want one. best tshirt ive ever seen
“Drink your beer, there are sober kids in Africa!”
Lev Aryeh: It’s still before Labor Day, and I’m not looking forward to putting away my white jeans.
I think it’s important to look presentable. Unfortunately, too many guys who wear white shirts and black pants are NOT dressed to stand before a king. People who wear dirty clothing are beyond the scope of this discussion. But wearing clothes that fit and look somewhat business-formal is very important. Blousy shirts and ballooning, gathering pants with white socks and terrible shoes looks extremely unpresentable. Regretfully the yeshiva world has lost track of what was trying to be accomplished and instead focused on the colors.
Of course, guys wearing designer labels aren’t usually the ones perpetuating “schlub-formal” look.
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