“Britain has a problem with British Pakistani men…”

Yekke,

if most terrorists are Muslim, is their being Muslim irrelevant to the issue of terrorism (i.e. in regards to prevention)?

If most crime is committed by men, is that fact irrelevant to the issue of crime (i.e. in regards to prevention)?

Similarly, an existing criminal behavior among people of a certain ethnicity is not a racist idea.
(Also my opinion about the hotel sign, by the way – yes, it shouldn’t have said “Jewish,” but
if the problem was in fact only with Jews, it doesn’t mean the sign-poster is an anti-Semite.)

Didn’t we learn the ingrained habits of each nationality when they rejected the Torah? Edom (descending from Eisev) murders; the nations from Yishmael steal, etcetera.

Accusations from the English Defence League? Perhaps take a look at the news. Take a look at the mugshots of the convicted abusers, and see if you can come up with your own conclusion.

I was taught by my rebbe z’l, that a Jew has no right to judge another person’s belief system.

The Rambam seems to have disagreed – see the quote above.

There are two basic issues here:
(1) a huge amount of Muslims were allowed into continental Europe. According to reports, 75% were young males.
(2) Islam looks at a non Islamic woman as “permissible.” V’dai la’maivin. This is based on the original “perfect” man, Mohammed, who took advantage of 9 year old old Aisha, a Jewish girl whose father, etc. was beheaded.
As I’ve said before, even if an earlier generation will become part of the dominant culture, a later generation may become “super religious.”
In Jusaism, a ba’al Teshuva may become super-religious by following Moshe Rabbeinu’s Derech and sitting and learning all day. He may not have parnassah and may need to collect Tzedakah.
A born again Xtian may follow J’s Derech and turn the other cheek. He may end up in the hospital!
A jihadi who becomes super religious may follow Mohammed’s example and become a terrorist and ravage and savage any non-islamic person, etc.

@KnPanel: I was taught by my rebbe z’l, that a Jew has no right to judge another person’s belief system.

(a) If you mean “judge” in terms of blame, or holding accountable, you are correct. But as far as tolerance and acceptance is concerned, “live and let live” is by no means a Jewish policy.

(b) Supposedly, the correlation of Pakistani men involved in this crime is nothing to do with their belief system, but more of a cultural issue. Terrorism can be rooted to religion, and then you could [incorrectly] say that we have no right to judge their belief system. Abusing children has no source in religion [other than the fact that Muslim religious leaders from day one were pedophiles].

Pakistanis are not a religion.

There is nothing wrong with being loyal to one’s own people.

If a stranger was accused of stealing people’s cats and barbecuing them alive, how would you react? Would you react differently if the person accused was your mother?

What your saying against all South Asians is out and out bigotry against an entire group of people and is entirely unjust and baseless. It would be like if I said all white people everywhere are affiliated with the Ku Klux Klan and are also affiliated Skinheads and neo-Nazis and White Supremacists period.

It has been proven by a British nationally survey company that South Asians are me highly educated then their native white British conterpart also it has been proven by a British nationally survey company that South Asians have better on average paying jobs (i.e. doctor, lawyer, etc) and in general make more money compared to their native white British counterpart.

“It has been proven by a British nationally survey company that South Asians are me highly educated then their native white British conterpart ”

Those surveys include Chinese and Indian who are very educated. BUT Pakis are less educated than whites.

I got my info from. The Telegraph and The Guardian. They seemed to limp them together. Maybe It’s a Brit thing. Maybe I misunderstood. In any event, the pakis are less educated.

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So your token Pakistani boss means cultural differences don’t exist?

Britain also has laws.

KnPanel, I find that hard to believe. Pakistanis are less than 2% of the population of the UK. While Muslims are required to give charity (2.5% of assets annually according to one web page I found), the relatively small number of Pakistanis in the UK makes the veracity of your claim suspect. I found an estimate of the total charitable giving of the British to be close to 10 billion pounds. If every Pakistani man, woman, and child gave 1,000 pounds, that would only be slightly over 1 billion pounds. Also, I suspect that Muslims donate almost entirely to Muslim causes (just as frum Jews donate almost entirely to Jewish causes), so the impact of their giving on non-Muslims is minimal.

The Pakistani community in Britian has established more soup kitchens to feed the poor and the needy in Britain then all the white native British population and all the other whites in all of Britain combined.

The Pakistani community is the most accepting and open and embracing community in all of Britian period.

If you were defending someone in an assault trial, would you rely on evidence that shows that the defendant is highly educated, earns a high income, gives a lot to charity, and established a larger than average number of soup kitchens, or would you actually address the accusation?

“What your saying against all South Asians is out and out bigotry against an entire group of people and is entirely unjust and baseless.”

Actually, their behavior is based on their belief system, Islam.
They are being judged based on their actions and belief system that justifies the rape of nonmoslem females.

Yes they can be nice, but can you really trust them?
Their religion tells them to lie and backstab.
Taqiyya – lying to non-believers to advance the cause of Islam – in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them.  Quran (3:28) is one source for that treachery.

KnPanel, Pakistan and its neighboring countries have a problem in this area. Women in those countries are harmed by men all the time. Why expect those men to change their behavior when they leave to a different country?