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We finally found something in/with Common: yidden are responsible for their own actions.
As to China, they didn’t hurt Jews much because mir yeshiva escaped before Mao consolidated power. R Avigdor Miller days that one should learn lessons when he reads about events far away (his example is Vietnam). If one doesn’t learn, Hashem brings problems closer and closer. And the most foolish ones learn only when the problem affects them (one might have thought this was written during COVID, but I digress)
Common, you seem to see the world only as they relate to Jews. This seems to contradict r Miller quote above: if you choose to be friends with reshoyim if they don’t hurt us personally, you may hvsh invite them to hurt us and only then learn the lesson. Abraham Heschel, while still in Nazi Germany, wrote a “historical” discussion that Sephardim were kicked out of Spain for a reason. Otherwise, they’d join Spaniards in their brutality in America’s – and it is better to be a victim than a perpetrator, sending a message to the German Jews who were upset that Nazis weren’t letting them be patriotic Germans
Common, I indeed was not zoche to learn from R Miller in person, only from writings and tape, but I am familiar with his views on the topic. I don’t understand how his views on the topic contradict his equally strong views on learning from history (see above) and taking personal responsibility, like in his moshal of a kind person who invites a stranger into the house, goes to pour another cup of tea, and the crazy stranger meanwhile pouring hot tea into baby’s face. Someone would ask – how is the person punished while doing a mitzva of hesed?! The answer – while doing his hesed, the person did an aveira of leaving a baby with a crazy stranger – and was punished for that. Not understanding this leads people to say crazy things like we do not understand how Hashem can be so unfair (his words up to hear to my best recollection).
If you want to reconcile here the possible (unproven from the article) rudeness of Germans, you can say that Hasidim, while in the middle of their heilicke trip, tripped on following simple regulations and ahavas briyut, not talking about health of themselves and others, and were punished by given to the cruel German rule-enforces. Those who had masks on (if such exist) were punished for associating with bad neighbors and not preventing hillul Hashem. They were especially punished for associating this embarrassing story with a tzaddik who was such a gentle person that he would not even send a mouse to a galach if he was not prosecuting Jews.
common > half the time you use a CH and half the time you use a H, please stick to one
I addressed the other concerns several times already, but this is a fresh one! Maybe, this is
maleh or chaser, depending on the level of chasidus. As my (lakewood-affiliated) Rav says when discussing chasidim mentioned in the Gemora: “real chasidim”.back to facts: . Another publication that also claimed “a couple of Jews” has a photo on which I counted 6 yidden without masks, 1 with a half-mask, and 1 with a proper mask.
Says mister reliable and unbiased…
> That is impressive, 6 yidden without masks out of 127 people,
my count is 7 out of 8. You are suggesting that the other 120 were somewhere else law-abiding. I guess this could be true and the law-breakers were standing there, making videos of each other, and then Germanim announced that everyone who looks Jewish is barred. I admit this is possible. Would be helpful to have a confirmation of this, and would then serve me a reminder not to make judgments from fragmented and selected information.
What then would be a bigger message – not to sit in moshav letzim? If you travel with mis-behaving people and look and act like their chaver, you will be – fairly or not – lumped with them. Again, airline seems to be clearly at fault, but I am talking about a lesson for us.
“Would be helpful to have a confirmation of this, and would then serve me a reminder not to make judgments from fragmented and selected information.”
No it wouldn’t. You can’t stop yourself from trashing chareidim no matter how hard you have to work to make it real.Common,
(1) is ignoring a person’s behavior unless it directly affects Jews
(2) is a message for Jews that we should see in every action(1) would be to say that Dama b Netina is a goyishe kopf who first lost money and then charged Jews too much, ignoring his middos towards parents
(2) would be to learn a lesson from him on kivud av, as Gemora doesSyag > You can’t stop yourself from trashing chareidim
When I feel a need to trash Germans, I would go to YWN (yekkish world news). Here it is appropriate to discuss how Jews should behave.
common, you are right, I am more interested in improving our behaviors than bashing grandchildren of Nazis. I am with you on maintaining behaviors as we are always looked at and represent am Isroel and Hashem and his Torah. Looks like those with less contact with the world and less aware of these issues. Maybe you can help educate the kahal more.
Congrats to everyone from that flight. Sounds like a good reason to travel them again.
I saw an article about some entertainment person decided to ditch a “nazi”-owned Tesla and got … a VW instead.
Common
Just curious (same question applies to neville) do you guys actually remember these old threads that you go searching for them when appropriate?
Because frankly I can barely remember my kids names“Rabbi Yisroel Reisman [a very respected Orthodox Rabbi] spoke out against those Jews who plan their vacations for locations like: Switzerland, France, or Italy where the people hate Jews.”
[He said:] “It would be better to visit the Land of Israel to benefit from its holiness and help our brothers economically.”
SOURCE: Flatbush Jewish Journal, 2010/6/17, page 32
“Rabbi Yisroel Reisman [a very respected Orthodox Rabbi] spoke out against those Jews who plan their vacations for locations like: Switzerland, France, or Italy where the people hate Jews.”
[He said:] “It would be better to visit the Land of Israel to benefit from its holiness and help our brothers economically.”
SOURCE: Flatbush Jewish Journal, 2010/6/17, page 32
I can’t speak to those places (and I would probably agree with the sentiment), but I can say that I was in Iceland twice and walked around with a kippah only (except when too windy, in which case I put on my baseball cap, but that wasn’t too often) and had no problems whatsoever.
The Wolf
does he mean where we are hated now or where we were ever hated? Spain has museums about the Jews they killed or expelled. Seemingly went around the world buying Jewish artifacts, and even desecrated gravestones of the Jews they prosecuted … New world mostly? Iceland, Finland, India, China, Japan, Central Africa?
@AAQ “you seem to see the world only as they relate to Jews. This seems to contradict r Miller quote above: if you choose to be friends with reshoyim if they don’t hurt us personally, you may hvsh invite them to hurt us and only then learn the lesson. Abraham Heschel, while still in Nazi Germany, wrote a “historical” discussion that Sephardim were kicked out of Spain for a reason”.
I agree with you, the issue is when you say something like this to another Jew, he will then ask you if you are Jewish or even perhaps antisemitic. Some people just don’t want to get out of their comfort zone, perhaps some ego issues too. Pathetic.
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