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  • #597679
    shein
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    How did the first Bostoner Rebbe become the Rebbe in Boston?

    #782490
    me too
    Member

    Try to get hold of The Bostoner by Hanoch Teller (1990, Hardcover): Stories and Recollections from the Colorful Chassidic Court of the Bostoner Rebbe, Rabbi Levi L. Horowitz

    (Hardcover, 1990)

    Author: Hanoch Teller

    Format: Hardcover

    ISBN-10: 0873065077

    ISBN-13: 9780873065078

    Publisher: Feldheim Pub

    Language: English

    I really enjoyed it

    Here is a snip from an online source just do a search yourself

    #782491
    yossi z.
    Member

    I could tell the story myself (I was the second rebbe’s shammash for a short stint) but it would have to be concise as I don’t want to upset the mods.

    Out of curiosity what brought on the interest/question?

    Wait, do you want to know how the rebbe came to be rebbe in boston or how in boston he became rebbe?

    (Sorry mods that will be my last edit on this post)

    😀 Zuberman! 😀

    #782492
    shein
    Member

    Out of curiosity what brought on the interest/question?

    Curiosity.

    Wait, do you want to know how the rebbe came to be rebbe in boston or how in boston he became rebbe?

    Both sound interesting. Now let us hear the stories, Shammash.

    #782493
    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    yossi,

    he wants The Rebbe’s father (the first Bostoner Rebbe) (R Pinchas Haleivi Horowitz)

    #782494
    yossi z.
    Member

    How he came to be rebbe in boston: originally the rebbe reb pinchos dovid was a “simple” (I put it in quotes as he was the nephew of reb dovid milelov (who was known far and wide for his ‘sight’) and was a direct descendant of the brody rov (who ran away to eretz yisroel when he was found out to be a baal mofes) yungerman (mid to late twentys) in yerushalayim. His uncle reb dovid tells him the he should go to america as they need him there. The rebbe being that he wasn’t keen on leaving eretz yisroel said no. Reb dovid said “fine we will see” and that was the end of that. A little while later the rebbe is requested to serve as av beis din on a beis din in europe. The rebbe thinks about the case for a little and seeing as it looked to be a short one two case, agreed. Of course it did not turn out to be a one two case and things started to drag and drag. Meanwhile, world war one breaks out and being that the rebbe is a resident of eretz yisroel which then was under the turkish empire, he has to get out of europe and fast. Due to the swiftness at which borders were getting closed and the difficulty involved in obtaining papers, they decided (and succeeded) in just getting the rebbe onto a boat which was leaving europe and then they would worry about getting him back to eretz yisroel. Well they get him onto a boat and where do you think the boat is headed? Of all places, america and so the rebbe is brought to america and lands in boston. That is how he got there.

    I will have to refresh my memory of the rest (how he came to be rebbe etc). Besides I think this post is a wee bit long.

    Oh by the way I only brought up that I was a shammash to explain how I know the story. It so happens that the zuber (my family) and the horowitz (the rebbe’s family) mishpachos were very close and go as far back to when my father, the current rebbe (or to be pc my current rebbe), and my uncle were playmates as kids.

    😀 Zuberman! 😀

    #782495
    shein
    Member

    Thanks yossi. Is there one Shammash at a time, or were you co-Shammash with others? And what were your duties as Shammash?

    #782496
    yossi z.
    Member

    There is one shammash at a time. When the rebbe started being half a year in eretz yisroel and half a year in america, a second shammash was set up for eretz yisroel. When the rebbe got sick the shammash would travel with the rebbe. I was shammash in between my older brother and the next one. My duties were to bring the rebbe to shul and back. Being that I was a shammash after he re-married, I did not have to take care of him in his house as his wife was capable in doing so herself.

    😀 Zuberman! 😀

    #782497
    shein
    Member

    How many Bostoner Rebbes are there today?

    #782498
    yossi z.
    Member

    Depends which dynasty. The rebbe reb pinchos dovid had two sons the rebbe reb levi yitzchok and the rebbe reb moshe. The rebbe reb levi yitzchok took over boston while the rebbe reb moshe took over new york. The rebbe reb moshe passed away and left over two sons and to my understanding one became rebbe and one became dayan/rosh yeshivah. I don’t know the new york dynasty too well as I primarily know the grandsons of reb moshe (one is a rov in boro park and one is a rov in lawrence otherwise I don’t know much else). The rebbe reb levi yitchok passed away leaving three sons and a tzavoh that all three should accept the title of admor and in effect create a triumvirate. So in sum total there are four or five bostoner rebbes (as I do believe (but I am not 100% sure) one son of reb moshe became rebbe in beit shemesh while the other stayed in flatbush)

    I personally went with the line of the rebbe reb levi yitzchok (it helps that he was the rebbe I went to when I became a bostoner it also helps that I grew up in boston). I do very much hold of the new york dynasty as they do of us. It is a positive mutual working relationship

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    #782499
    shein
    Member

    Bostoner chasidim use the Litvishe havara?

    #782500
    Jersey Jew
    Participant

    @ yossi z,

    The Rebbe Reb Moshe had 2 sons, Reb Avrohom and Reb Pinchas Dovid (Reb Pinya). Reb Pinya had a yeshiva in the building on 49th street but ended up moving to Flatbush (J & E29th area) where he relocated his yeshiva and opened a bais medresh.

    Back to Boro Park …. Reb Avrohom moved to Beit Shemesh to try and start a k’hilla there while also spending time in BP. His son Reb Yankel opened a Bostoner Bais Medresh in Lawrence and his son Reb Yona stayed in BP under no official title.

    Unfortunately the Rebbe’s health is not the greatest so he ended up staying more in EY which left the BP mispalelim without a rebbe or rov. They ended up asking Reb Avrohom if his son Reb Yona (a major talmid chochom!!) could serve as Rov, which he approved and he serves in that capacity currently.

    Now it gets dicey…. When the Alta Rebitzen was nifteres about 3 or so years ago, one thing lead to another and the building was sold right out from under the Boro Park k’hilla. B”H they were able to find room in the Novominsk basement (16 ave & 47st) where they are today.

    The older mispalelim look at Reb Yona as an extension of his grandfather Reb Moshe ZTL. The way he speaks in learning and interacts with people is quite reminiscent of his Zayda ZTL.

    I hope that helped.

    #782501
    Jersey Jew
    Participant

    @ shein,

    I wouldn’t classify it as that. From what I have seen/heard in BP, the tzeirei is pronounced “a” as in “hey” you. Everything else is straight chasidish. Granted the Horowitz family did end up in litvish yeshivas where they were able to blossom in learning so it is possible they picked up some more “litvish” but the “a as in hey” havora was used by the Reb Moshe zt”l and Reb Lavi Yitzchok zt’l.

    #782502
    yossi z.
    Member

    Some yes some no. By boston (the chassisdus) there is not set levush or havarah the ikkar is the avoda (learning davening halacha and minhagim)

    😀 Zuberman! 😀

    #782503
    yichusdik
    Participant

    Not surprising that there is a Litvishe Haavoroh and some crossover with the non-chassidish velt among the Bostoner Horowitzes. Its is somewhat of a family tradition, going back to Rav Pinchos the Hafloh and his brother Rav Shmuel Shmelke Mi’nikolsberg. Both were illuyim and inheritors of the Horowitz mantle of leadership and chochma from their ancestors, and both were Rabonim of their Kehilos and R’ Pinchos was an expert in Pilpul while R’Shmuel was also a Rosh Yeshiva. They were also among the earliest proponents/allies of chassidus, talmidim muvhokim of the Maggid Mimezeritch. This caused both of them, especially Rav Shmuel Shmelke, much trouble in their kehilos among those who were opposed to Chassidus.

    The Bostoner dynasty are descended from Rav Shmuel Shmelke Horowitz. My family’s minhogim too are often chassidish, but have elements of a non-chassidish taam in them, as R’ Pinchos the Hafloh was my 7th great grandfather.

    #782504
    zahavasdad
    Participant

    I have always found it fascinating there is a

    Satmar Rebbe

    Ger Rebbe

    Lubavich Rebbe

    Belz Rebbe

    And a

    BOSTONer Rebbe

    Which doesnt belong….

    And it isnt like there are Brooklyner Chassidim, Miamiers or Lakewooders to compliment the Bostoner

    #782505
    shein
    Member

    zahavasdad: What’s the difference between the Rebbe from Belz being known as the Belzer Rebbe or the Rebbe from Ger being known as the Gerrer Rebbe, and the Rebbe from Boston being known as the Bostoner Rebbe?

    #782506
    zahavasdad
    Participant

    Belz , Satmar , Ger etc are all cities in Europe.

    Last I checked Boston is in the united states and while I could be wrong, I dont think there is any other Rebbe named for an american city (Who is the New Yorker Rebbe, Who is the Brooklyner Rebbe)

    There is nothing wrong with that, just unusualy especially considering how large the US jewish population is, especially in NY

    #782507
    zahavasdad
    Participant

    There are larger jewish populations in NY, LA, Miami, Philly & Chicago than Boston. Yet none of them have a Rebbe

    #782508
    morahmom
    Participant

    Having met the rebbe Rebbe Levi Yizchok several times, I always found it amazing that one expected a European accent when he spoke, but it was 100% Bostonian!

    #782509
    me too
    Member

    There is a Clevelander Rebbe & a Mosholou (Parkway, Bx)Rebbe both Nnadvorner Rosenbaums.

    #782510
    yossi z.
    Member

    There is also a pitsburger rebbe

    😀 Zuberman! 😀

    #782511
    Pac-Man
    Member

    There’s no “New Yorker Rebbe” because there are dozens and dozens (plus) Rebbes in NY.

    #782512
    yossi z.
    Member

    Well technically admor reb pinchos dovid ben admor reb levi yitzchok is known and the new yorker-bostoner as is the rest of the new york branch of the dynasty

    😀 Zuberman! 😀

    #782513
    zahavasdad
    Participant

    Having met the rebbe Rebbe Levi Yizchok several times, I always found it amazing that one expected a European accent when he spoke, but it was 100% Bostonian!

    LOL

    I guess an authentic BOSTONer Rebber must Pahk the Cahr

    #782514
    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    actually it wasn’t however he did have some sort of an accent

    #782515
    zahavasdad
    Participant

    OT

    A friend of mine once went to a yeshivish wedding , both Parents were real yeshivish looking

    The father of the groom spoke first, And he spoke in a real Brooklyn jewish accent (In the Toirah it says etc)

    And then the father of the bride spoke. He spoke in a real Southern Drawl. A yeshivish looking man speaking in a REAL southern Drawl . he was taken aback a bit

    #782516
    Imanonov
    Participant

    There are many Rebbes named after American cities.

    However one place is not likely ever to have a rebbe named after it: Michigan.

    Why?

    You would have to be mad to be called a Michigener rebbe!

    #782517
    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    LOL Imanonov,

    however Michigan isnt a CITY

    #782518

    it was very clever.

    and there is a city in indiana by the name of: “michigan city”

    #782519
    joe9487cool
    Member

    I was also shocked when I met the Bostoner Rebbe from Boston that there was no accent.

    I was even more shocked when he told us that klei kodesh is like baseball. You don’t always need to hit a homerun, you need to help the team win

    #782520

    The Pittsburgher and Clevelander (who are indeed part of Nadvorna) Rebbeim live in EY now, but there may also be a Clevelander Rebbe in NY.

    #782521

    There is a Michiganer Chassidus. It is a branch of the famous Creedmoorer chassidus. The signpainter who made the sign for their shtibel on the corner of Hewes St and 13th Avenue could not believe anyone would call themselves “Mishigginer” so he spelled it “Michiganer Beis Medrash” in English.

    #782522
    hello99
    Participant

    There is even a Rebbe of the sea, the Yaama Ruv.

    #782523
    Jersey Jew
    Participant

    There is a Milwaukee Rebbe… Rabbi Michel Twerski who is also known as the Hornisteiple Rebbe. Interesting to note, that the Steipler Gaon (born to a chasidishe family!)was from the same city!

    You want to know why there really arent too many rebbes named for American cities? Well, Chasidisism sprouted in Europe and the rebbes became rebbes of specific cities. If someone like the Satmar Rebbe is from the Satmar dynasty why should he call himself anything other than that name?

    #782524
    Imanonov
    Participant

    Mark: Rabbi Michel’s brother, Rabbi Dr. Abraham J. Twerski, once told me that his father, Rabbi Yaakov Yisrael Twerski, the previous Hornosteipel Rebbe of Milwaukee, and the Steipler Gaon were named after the same person, namely his ancestor Harav Yaakov Yisrael of Cherkassy, one of the eight sons of Rebbe Mordechai of Chernobyl. They were actually very close and Rabbi Dr Abraham Twersky used to visit the Steipler Gaon who would consult with him on psychological matters.

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