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I’m mad at the chassidim.
Because they throw such awesome Lag Baomer parties, and I want to go.
But they do it the night of ??, and we kalta litvak’s can’t listen to music or dance until the morning.
SO WHAT THE BLAZES IS UP WITH THAT?????????
Popa -It’s not just Chassidim. In EY- alot of Sfardim & Litvaks make Bon-fire parties the nite of Lag B’omer too. I guess the Litvaks over there aren’t Kalt. (They get warmed by the fire.)
Its a minhag Eretz Yisroel. Satmar chasidim in America don’t make bonfires. Breslov does here, since their main chasidus is situated in EY. Lets not associate Kabala with Chasidim; Kabala has been around way before Chasidim.
LMA: Satmar Chasidim in America do make bonfires. Apparently you’ve never been to KJ, where they make a massive one. Check YouTube.
popa_bar_abba:
Is one allowed to dance holding his ears?
Pac Man: Maybe its a recent development. Do they make in Williamsburg too?
In Williamsburg? Where, on Lee Avenue perhaps?
It isn’t anything recent btw.
Is there anything in Boro Park or Monsey?
Pac Man: If it was so important to Chasidishe religious life, I’m sure they would arrange for it to be done on Lee Ave. (I’ve never seen it in Satmar Monsey either.) Did they do it in Der Alte Heim?
LMA: Its done in Willi as well. I wasn’t in der alte heim, but as I said it isn’t a new minhug.
Pac Man: For arguments sake, I’m willing to bet you that it was not done in Der Alte Heim. The Minhag was to do it exclusively in Miron by the Kever Rashb”i, and it dates back at least 500 years.
LMA: The bet’s on. They did it in der alte heim.
Best place (IMHO) is 16th ave / 50th street, in front of Nicholsberg. Crowd is great(chilled, but not too tzelos’t)and its starts about an hour after the zman
Mechuel Shnitzler was there last year, and he gets the place hopping!
And for all you litvaks: As soon as you’re within a 50ft radius of anything chassidish (BP, CH, Willy, ect), its on our dime, so relax and join the fun!
Horav Yisroel Belsky Shlita (Taamei Haminhagim 606, see ibid:607 for an additional reason) says the reason is as a remembrance of the fire that surrounded Rav Shimon Bar Yochai while he was in the cave.
Can somebody please explain what it mean to “dance holding his ear”? Does that mean to plug them so you cannot hear music?
iconcur: Yes, correct. (Are you also from those strictly serious people? Well then, glad to meet you, I’m obvoiusly NOT!)
We know that the Arizal celebrated Lag Baomer at the Maara in Maron. The Arizal also made a Chalaqa, although Reb Chaim Vittal wasn’t sure if there is what to learn from that. The Minhag in Eretz Yisroel is a very old one. All Poskim that witnessed it, even if they had inhibitions of Baal Tashchis, decided not to intefere.
stulin and nicholsburg was awesome lastnight. i was by stulin till 4am. they stopped dancing at three. then they served a seuda it was great!!!
The Arizal only went once, not every year. He also held haircuts are forbidden until Erev Shavuos, so the chalaka story is suspect.
Look up the seforim I quoted and you will see that many Poskim attempted to stop the minhag,apparentlyy unsuccessfully.
poppa_bar-abba- I don’t undersatnd you at all. Why can’t you hear music till the morning???? You can even cut your hair on friday, why do you have to wait till the morning? i have never heard of that~
thanks to YWN for the posting on main pg of celebrations around the world!
watching the almost 10 minute clip of the celebration @ Toldos Aaron brought me so much joy.. I have tears in my eyes.
actually, I started out looking for our cousins.
brought back memories of going there w/ a Shomrei Emunim cousin to hear the beautiful singing Friday night. all the women were wearing black teichels & I was wearing a white one, lol.
rabbiofberlin– The only reason you can cut your hair on Friday is only when Lag Ba’omer falls out on Sunday, because of kavod Shabbos.
popa- you are quoting the remo, in the name of the maharil, that on cuts one’s hair only in the morning-but the mishne berura brings acharonim that allow it on the eve of lag baomer too. I don’t know what you hold but I have been at chasunos on the even of lag baomer- taking this shittah as dominant. as far as music, it is a chumro that does not appear in the original minhag, so, “hovu delo nosif alo”,especially as it is motzei shabbos and everyone has already entered the day of lag baomer on friday!
popa-well,sorry to say but i never heard of your minhag. i am not a litvak……if you look in the shaarey tsion (seif koton 12)I see that it is from the gro ,so obviously, if you follow the gro, as a litvak, you may not cut hair in the evening before .I wonder, however, if music should fall under the same chumro,as it was not in the original minhag (see mishne berurah, seif koton 2)
Mishna Berura brings Elya Rabba who is matir a wedding the night of Lag B’omer b’shaas had’chak (such as when L”B falls on a Friday). I believe that the poskim today consider it a sha’as had’chak every year because there are not enough simcha halls for everyone to get married during the day.
Concerning haircuts, although it is intrinsically more lenient, sha’as had’chak does not apply to the same degree.
Regarding a haircut on motzaei Shabbos when L”B is on Sunday, it would seem pashut that since the heter for a haircut on Friday is l’kavod Shabbos, this would not apply to M”S, and it would have the din as any L”B eve. This sevara appears in Halichos Shlomo. It is of interest to note, however, that this sefer quotes RSZA as being matir haircuts on L”B eve even in an ordinary year, reasoning that it’s become somewhat of a yom tov (“They’re dancing in Miron, so you can take a haircut in Yerushalayim”).
Satmar Chasidim in America do make bonfires
Satmar Chassidim and others in England also do but at the END of lag baomer ie soon before shkia (whatever shkia is).
Is one allowed to dance holding his ears?
Cant see any reason not to though its far more comfortable to dance holding hands
How many years do you think the Arizal was in Eretz Yisroel?
great question-HaLeiv-_ people assume that he lived in Eretz Yisroel for many years..which is incorrect. I don’t know the exact amount but I think it amounts to months,rather than years….
HaLeiVi-according to the person who wrote about the Arizal on “google” (wikipedia), the Arizal came to Tzfas in early 1570 and died on July 25,1572, making his stay in Zfas about two years.
Arizal was in Tzfas 2 years, only one of them he went to Meron. Also, when he lived in Yerushalaim and Egypt he did not go. He never lived so far.
hello99
“Arizal was in Tzfas 2 years, only one of them he went to Meron. Also, when he lived in Yerushalaim and Egypt he did not go. He never lived so far.”
Really? It’s not so far? It would take months if not longer to got from Egypt to Mount Meron.
Popa -so become chassidish for tonight 😉
so become chassidish for tonight
This won’t sit well, because only 10 days left until the all important day of Yom Yerusholayim, so I shall definitely wish to be associated with a Chevra who warmly & staunchly embrace & observe Yom Yerusholayim.
If this is not enough, 17 days from now, it would be very hard to go to a Mikva towards the end of Shovu’os nite learning shortly before day break, as is expected in Chassish circles.
Yeah, my kids are so mad at me for telling them they can’t go tonight. They are sure they are the ONLY ones in the whole city who had to ditch the bonfire tonight. Now I owe them a slurpee.
147 – I told him only to be chassidish TONIGHT. Then he and you can go back to being litvish.
syag – tell ur kids my son and i didn’t go either. not for the same reason though. we just didn’t go. in fact i asked him if he wants to find out if a certain friend was going and maybe he could go with him. (i now know that friend didn’t go either ;)) my girls and husband did go. actually we live close enough that i was able to hear the music from home.
Tonight, I am a Gerer Chassidish Woman. Now, I need to get off the chas ve’shalom and enjoy my music.
my DH is dancing in Meron.. lucky guy! 🙂
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