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has the texting by bochurim gone out of hand???????
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Absolutely, including during Shul services.
There is nothing wrong with texting, so i would say no, it hasn’t gotten out of hand.
has the texting by bochurim gone out of hand???????
Why don’t you tell us what you think on the matter, and why?
The Wolf
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I do not post here often, but when I saw this thread, I just knew I needed to post.
I agree with you 1,000,000%. But what can we do about this? Take away their phones?
As much as it has by anyone else!!! It just goes to to show, they are human!!
Has excessive use of question marks and butchering of idioms gone (sic) out of hand?
Please define “out of hand”.
Nope. Device must be in hand to text. That may change in the near future when one should be able to dictate to the phone with nearly 100% accuracy.
[A smart question gets a smart answer!]
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A bochur told me he asked Rav Belsky if it’s mutar for him to have texting? Rav Belsky replied: Absolutely YES, as long as it isn’t used excessively. Alot of bochurim do use it excessively but many including myself DONT.
Its not good for anyone to use it excessively, and yet they do! But htink of the ups of texting
if someone was on a mega bus on a trip overnight and they needed to know somehting they could text someone insead of calling and possibly waking someone up! Or if osmeone really doesnt have time and they have a question they can text instead of being rude and saying”HI i dont have time but i have a question…”
its not like calling is going to die out
“There is nothing wrong with texting”
So why then do so many gedolim decry it? and what about those who get addicted and text even on shabbos, which is not a lo shchiach? And there is no such thing in physical existence that does not have a single downside whatsoever, R’ Simcha Zissel says this b’feirush, and it is also brought down by mekubalim by the eitz hadaas. Furthermore, what exactly are your inspiring credentials that entitle you to a cogent, relevant and meaningful opinion?! If anything, to issue such a blanket statement indicates tremendous ignorance of the inyan.
mochoh timche: i didn’t mean to say there is NOTHING wrong with it. All I mean’t to say was that it isn’t out of line and worse then many other things
“getting outta hand for Bachurim” as opposed to????
“mochoh timche: i didn’t mean to say there is NOTHING wrong with it. All I mean’t to say was that it isn’t out of line and worse then many other things”
the question was “has texting gone out of hand”. you answered that “there’s nothing wrong with it”. that means that in regards to whether texting has gone out of hand, it absolutely has not, even in the slightest, or so your choice of words connote. And even if not, what i said still is a valid critique of your position regardless, as this is not the opinion of the gedolim and valid daas Torah of today; it is also blatantly obvious in metzius, as is true about anything that metamorphases into an addiction; even without it being an addiction, it is quite obvious that it has the downside of eroding to some extent people’s interpersonal skills and quality of relationships, which is quite serious, especially in a society where divorce rates among religious jewsish couples is skyrocketing. V’chuli
I wonder if the Askanim were all up in arms when the Telephone, Electricity , Automobile , printed press etc where invented
because baalebatim certainly arent affected by this machla. you never see them checking emails or texting in middle of chazaras hashatz. only bnei torah.
“where divorce rates among religious jewsish couples is skyrocketing”
Other factors such as financial issues and unemployed husbands may be playing a role.
mochoh timcheh:
1) so texting is the cause of divorce. hmmm. interesting.(yes- sarcasm intended)
2) from reading your posts here and on other threads, it seems you think very highly of yourself and think no one else is entitled to their opinions because they are of course WRONG.
3)you like stirring things up. a) either you’re just having fun, in which case I say, GET A LIFE. or b) you truly feel the way i described you in #2, in which case, i kind of pity you.
WHAT – OUT OF HAND?
how on earth do you expect bochurim to text hands free when we don’t let them have smartphones
crazybit- Dont allow? Do you really believe that all people follow rules??
gefen:
1) so texting is the cause of divorce. hmmm. interesting.(yes- sarcasm intended)
i did not say it is the primary, or even significant cause. What i said is that it hardly helps in an age where there is already a marked decrease in people’s social and interpersonal skills, as evidenced by, among other things, the rising divorce rate, to have yet another thing that will erode further these vital skills. How much of an effect this has i do not know. I do know, however, what a very successful rabbi/marriage counselor told me, that he held it did make a tangible affect.
2) from reading your posts here and on other threads, it seems you think very highly of yourself and think no one else is entitled to their opinions because they are of course WRONG.
1- i think so highly of myself that i do not formulate opinions of my own; rather, i let daas Torah – my rebbeim and the real, recognized Gedolim, decide for me what is right and what is not. People who make up their own opinions about anything related to Torah tend to be wrong bec they are not daas Torah.
2- Why is Torah matters any different than quantum physics? Surely if someone posted his “opinion” about the quantum fluctuation of naked singularities, you would agree that his opinion is irrelevant and meaningless! There is even a story about marcus jastrow’s grandson who was an astropysycist with less than favorable views of religion. At some affair, he got up and said that while he doesn’t know much about religion, it can be summed up in a few words, and they weren’t particularly flattering. There was a rabbi there, i forgot who, who got up after him and rebuuted that while he doesn’t know much about astropysics, it can be summed up in “twinkle twinkle little star, how i wonder wht you are”.
3)you like stirring things up. a) either you’re just having fun, in which case I say, GET A LIFE. or b) you truly feel the way i described you in #2, in which case, i kind of pity you
you are definitely entitled to an opinion about me. However, i beg to disagree with your conclusion in “b)”, bec i am very happy being subservient to daas Torah guidance; what i stray from thereof is b’shogeg, i am far from perfect.
Other factors such as financial issues and unemployed husbands may be playing a role.
I never denied that. I merely pointed out that it is among the causes, which is a position held by meny eminent rabbanim and psychologists; it is not my own estimation – my personal opinion is irrelevant and worthless bec i do not have the daas nor the experience to analyze such things.
Why is the question about bochurim? Even if you could venture to say that textng by bochurim has gotten out of hand, doesn’t it apply, perhaps even more so, to the girls??????????/
Texting is rarely out of hand. Usually, it is in hand.
This thread is astonishing. (Besides for the fact that it is undoubtedly started as a troll).
See, nobody could think that “texting” is objectively wrong. So presumably some think that it leads to things which are wrong.
For arguments sake, we’ll assume that someone somewhere thinks it leads to boys and girls having relationships. So, the relevant question should be whether the amount of boys and girls having relationships based on texting, has gotten out of control.
Or if the problem is wasting time, then we should ask whether wasting time has gotten out of control.
But it makes no sense to simply discuss texting in a vacuum as if it is objectively problematic.
Please define bochurim.
Unmarried young men – Much less out of hand then unmarried women, married woman, and married men. Pick on everyone else before you pick on them.
Bnei Torah – Doesn’t appear out of hand at all.
Please enlighten us as to which category you are referring to.
But it makes no sense to simply discuss texting in a vacuum as if it is objectively problematic.
Even if the problems it causes are not in a vacuum, once there exist problems with it in certain situations, then the sum of these problems can be taken into account when judging it in a vacuum, mitzad that its existence will lead to these problems in their respective specific situations. The sum total of these problems can then veryy well be a strong enough svara to justify terming it an unteable evil, or out of hand, in a vacuum.
Idk if it is out of hand but us bocherim see what the rest of the world does like when in shuo and a lot of pol r looking at there phones the whole time. So we see what they do and sometimes think it’s okay so if out of hand then adults defiantly have a problem txting
Texting for all members of the world has gotten out of hand. Recently, finally someone asked if they can just call me because the texting is crazy.
I laughed because I dont have a smart phone (I care about my phone, but honestly, it is not smart), so I have to hit the numbers a few times and it is more trouble than it’s worth, and I would more than welcome talking on the phone than texting.
Sometimes people continue to text each other as they are walking towards each other and in full view..lol
I think texting’s fun and practical often and I’d never survive without it! I just think its annoying that some schools dont let it…
I noticed that the OP has decided not to answer my question. Very interesting…
The Wolf
It’s ok as long as phones are turned off in shul/yeshiva/bais medrash.
What on earth is wrong with texting? It’s really handy. It’s much quicker to text someone if you only need to say a little and you have a limited amount of time, or if you need to be quiet (like the library or a bus or somewhere– NOT a speech and DEFINITELY NOT a wedding!). I text my mom all the time on the bus when I just need to ask something quick, because I’m on there pretty early and people try to sleep and don’t want to be disturbed by someone yammering on their phone.
If you mean what people DO with it, I can only speak for myself. But honestly, I don’t mean to judge people, but if people bring up texting between girls and boys, how can that be brought about because of texting per se? If it’s by accident, then everyone needs to be taught just not to respond to anonymous messages, and if it’s on purpose, then not having texting will not stop them. If anyone can tell me why texting makes the problem greater I would be much obliged. I honestly want to know.
writersoul
I agree. People claim it’s easier for boys and girls to talk via text than by picking up the phone and calling. I say anything can be used for negative and the right thing is to teach our children how to use them properly.
dunno: THANK YOU! Every time I say that everyone thinks I’ve gone wacko all of a sudden!
I personally have two male-owned cell phone numbers in my phone: my dad’s and my grandfather’s. If I wanted boys’ numbers I would put them in myself— the phone would not do it for me and force me to have a conversation with them. This is about responsibility and choices, not cell phones and texting.
yup totally out of hand and girls also spend way too much time texting
BTGuy said: Sometimes people continue to text each other as they are walking towards each other and in full view..lol
And sometimes, someone will call me and I would ask them where they are and then proceed to walk to them while talking to them – and not hang up until standing next to him/her. So let’s Assur the pone completely!
and throw away our cars cause boys ad girls can drive to each other or worse drive off with each other. And break all the light bulbs in your house so that boys and girls can’t see each other! Do you think in the olden days boys and girls didn’t find ways to meet and talk if they wanted to?? The question shouldn’t be if bochurim are texting too much, but how to teach boys, girls, adults and children SELF CONTROL!!!!
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