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mosherose, If you are serious about the niece, you may as well put up a mechitza at your shabbos table.
mosherose – then that goes for aunts to nephews too. Isnt that one of the ossur marriages? so that means that an aunt cant talk to her 9 yr old/older nephew because now she cant touch him, sing in front of him , issur yichud etc.? so it’s arayos to talk to a nephew over 9?
No I meant that because an uncle is aloud to marry a neice its like any other unmarried boy-girl and assur. A boy can talk to his aunt because shes assur just like a sister or his mother and so wont think of doing anything with her.
mosherose – you better check taht out again. I was saying taht if your not allowed to talk to a niece cuz she is allowed to marry you than kal vechomer for a nephew adn aunt which is one of the assur marriages. Obviously none should stam be shmoozing, but i was once told that an aunt/uncle doesn’t have a yetzer hara for a niece or nephew cuz it’s family. In general women and men no matter how close ( brother and sister in laws) shouldnt stam shmooze. Note i said SHOULDN’t this doesn’t fall into catogory of assur.
“was saying taht if your not allowed to talk to a niece cuz she is allowed to marry you than kal vechomer for a nephew adn aunt which is one of the assur marriages.”
If you hold that then a father could never talk to a daugter and a son to a mother. But we no thats not the case. Obviusly yur wrong.
you know very well your looking for arguments. i’m not making things up. your totally mixing yotzros. You know that the issur of yichud doesn’t apply to blood reltives: parents grandparents children grandschildren and siblings. Yet it does apply to nieces nephews aunts and uncles.
“Yet it does apply to nieces nephews aunts and uncles. “
So fine. He sholdnt play games with his neices and if he was a woman she shouldnt play games with her nephew. Happy?
mosherose:
if wolf is with his neice and his daughter its permissable becouse his daughter is a shomer becouse she is called “shelo yechta imo”
“to my even talking/interacting with my nieces at all.”
yes thats it. Since you could marry her shes no diffrent than any other unmarried woman whom you shouldnt be talking to.
“I will not simply back out of their lives.”
Then yur not keeping the torah. The torah demands that men keep far away from women who arent married to them or immediate reletives.
MR-I pity your nieces!
why should you pity his neices? if they’re used to him not talking to him, then it’s not a problem! i WISH my cousins and uncles wouldn’t talk to me!
“The torah demands that men keep far away from women who arent married to them or immediate reletives.”
I don’t recall learning that, but you do that, Moshe. Your nieces will be just fine. The Torah says M’dvar sheker tirchak, but does it say to stay away from females and not talk to them? However, there are people who hold that.
oomis1105: Please check out Pirkei Avos for an example of how Chazal advise men to talk to close women relatives.
Yanky , i’m almost sure i remember the mishna correctly of “al tarbe sicha im haisha” see mefarshim on it. i’d rather not post it all.
Obviously all speach between fm and m (that aren’t married, or immediate blood relatives) should be kept to a minimal if they have to spk
Trivial Pursuit, original genus – best game, ever! I also like Tri-Bond and Blurt.
“I also got to play Scrabble with Eeees (we love to play that game together) and Trivial Pursuit.”
Al Tarbeh Sicha doesnt just mean talking. It means spending too much time. Remember Ezra made takanos so that men shouldnt always be by theyre wifes.
Mosherose, when men don’t spend enough time with their wives, their wives feel neglected and that leads to shalom bayis issues. Al tarbeh sicha does NOT refer to one’s own wife, but with other women.
“Al tarbeh sicha does NOT refer to one’s own wife, but with other women.”
HUH???
Al Tarbeh Sicha Im Ishah Beishtechu Omri, Kal Vachomer be’eshes chaveroi.
Ok, I stand corrected – on this. But, please elaborate – is this halacha or just one of many opinions expressed by different rabbonim.
Wolf- why in the world are you bothering to answer and excuse yourself to his nonsense?
We all know what a normal marriage requires.
Wolf, remember that MR is a young guy in his 20s who frummed out and is not married. Not a good dose for common sense.
SJS: I thought we agreed he is a member of JTS?
i have a feeling mosherose is not married, otherwise he would’nt say what hes saying.
My daughters and I enjoy playing Settler and Seafarers of Catan and we all enjoy playing Puerto Rico. Card games we love are Phase 10, 5 Crowns and Fluxx. We’ve played Management Material when a friend comes over who brings it. I also enjoy Graverobbers from Outerspace and all the various accompanying decks for it.
Another game I’ve played is Carcassone, which is another G-S game.
There is a new game coming out that will be a blast on Shabbos called “Sounds Like A Plan” where you give advice from cards. I am currently testing it for a company. “Headbanz” is a great family game
“(For those of you who think I’m committing some horrible sin by playing games with my kids/nieces/nephews/wife — don’t bother correcting me — I’m not listening.)”
What you mean is Im going to do an aveira and I dont care what you think. In the times of the gemara we used to put people like that in a kippah.
mosherose go learn some halacha, haskafa and just about everything else related to Judaism before you make silly comments.
Not sure if these are really strategic but they do require brains.
Skip-Bo – but I like Phase 10 better.
Mahjong – it’s really expensive (used is around $100) but a lot of fun.
Rummikub
Malarky – is a great one for laughs. Not really Strategic and doesn’t have a board but you do need your brain to make up lies. (Which isn’t assur since everyone will know your lying right away. Which I learned is fine.)
right side/left side brain use.
My kids absolutely love playing “Settlers”. I just cant stand it.
On these long friday nights, me and my sibs play board games after the meal.
“Perpetual Commotion” Rox!!!!!- though not mind challenging
or we like “Blurt” and “Malarky”- both take quick thinking
First, One gadol was quoted as saying that Al tarbeh does not apply these days to husbands and wives. They need to do whatever will bring shalom bayis.
Second, Even gedolim used to play chess.
“Second, Even gedolim used to play chess.”
On Nittel Nacht.
Bed-Stuy, I believe some cite a medrash that Shlomo Hamelech invented chess. Now, he predated Xmas by quite a few years.
Pashuteh:
Please provide the citation for said Medrash.
i like 221 B Baker Street and playing Who’s It? with my children.
My favorite games are Scrabble and the old Trivial Pursuit.
i just got this sik game called SPOT-It :). its soo much fun!! buy it! i played with my family a lot and even got my father and his friend [a family friend staying by our house]to join the game!:D
backgammon
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