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June 22, 2010 5:25 am at 5:25 am #808963mischiefmakerMember
mosherose, If you are serious about the niece, you may as well put up a mechitza at your shabbos table.
June 22, 2010 6:51 am at 6:51 am #808964sof davar hakol nishmaMembermosherose – then that goes for aunts to nephews too. Isnt that one of the ossur marriages? so that means that an aunt cant talk to her 9 yr old/older nephew because now she cant touch him, sing in front of him , issur yichud etc.? so it’s arayos to talk to a nephew over 9?
June 24, 2010 12:37 am at 12:37 am #808965mosheroseMemberNo I meant that because an uncle is aloud to marry a neice its like any other unmarried boy-girl and assur. A boy can talk to his aunt because shes assur just like a sister or his mother and so wont think of doing anything with her.
June 24, 2010 12:52 am at 12:52 am #808966sof davar hakol nishmaMembermosherose – you better check taht out again. I was saying taht if your not allowed to talk to a niece cuz she is allowed to marry you than kal vechomer for a nephew adn aunt which is one of the assur marriages. Obviously none should stam be shmoozing, but i was once told that an aunt/uncle doesn’t have a yetzer hara for a niece or nephew cuz it’s family. In general women and men no matter how close ( brother and sister in laws) shouldnt stam shmooze. Note i said SHOULDN’t this doesn’t fall into catogory of assur.
June 24, 2010 1:00 am at 1:00 am #808967mosheroseMember“was saying taht if your not allowed to talk to a niece cuz she is allowed to marry you than kal vechomer for a nephew adn aunt which is one of the assur marriages.”
If you hold that then a father could never talk to a daugter and a son to a mother. But we no thats not the case. Obviusly yur wrong.
June 24, 2010 1:08 am at 1:08 am #808968sof davar hakol nishmaMemberyou know very well your looking for arguments. i’m not making things up. your totally mixing yotzros. You know that the issur of yichud doesn’t apply to blood reltives: parents grandparents children grandschildren and siblings. Yet it does apply to nieces nephews aunts and uncles.
June 24, 2010 1:10 am at 1:10 am #808969mosheroseMember“Yet it does apply to nieces nephews aunts and uncles. “
So fine. He sholdnt play games with his neices and if he was a woman she shouldnt play games with her nephew. Happy?
June 24, 2010 2:52 pm at 2:52 pm #808970WolfishMusingsParticipantSorry, Moshe. I take an very active role in the lives of my nephews and nieces.
If your interpretation of the Torah says that that’s wrong, then you boycott your nieces. I’ll stick with my family, thank you very much.
The Wolf
June 24, 2010 2:55 pm at 2:55 pm #808971WolfishMusingsParticipantOh, and FWIW, the game of Wealth of Nations ended up being only between myself and two sons. Instead of focusing on farms and banks as I did in the previous game, I decided to corner the labor market. It might have worked too, had I not made several stupid miscalculations during the course of the game. In the end, I lost badly to the boys. Oh well… there’s always next time.
The Wolf
June 28, 2010 4:06 pm at 4:06 pm #808972WolfishMusingsParticipantNo game this week. As it turned out, one of my students needed an extra lesson before going to camp, so I spent a portion of my Shabbos afternoon attending to him. Besides, my kids had their cousins from Israel over and were far too busy playing with them to want to play a game with old Dad. 🙂
The Wolf
June 28, 2010 5:44 pm at 5:44 pm #808973jewish girlMembermosherose:
if wolf is with his neice and his daughter its permissable becouse his daughter is a shomer becouse she is called “shelo yechta imo”
June 28, 2010 7:10 pm at 7:10 pm #808974WolfishMusingsParticipantJewish Girl,
To be fair (and I don’t even know why I’m bothering), the issue that MosheRose has is not with yichud (which is where your point is relevant) — after all, my wife is usually in the house too. I think he objects (and MR, if I’m wrong, please correct me) to my even talking/interacting with my nieces at all.
While I will certainly take steps to avoid yichud with my nieces, I will not simply back out of their lives. I am far too involved an uncle for my nieces and nephews to do that.
The Wolf
June 29, 2010 12:34 am at 12:34 am #808975mosheroseMember“to my even talking/interacting with my nieces at all.”
yes thats it. Since you could marry her shes no diffrent than any other unmarried woman whom you shouldnt be talking to.
“I will not simply back out of their lives.”
Then yur not keeping the torah. The torah demands that men keep far away from women who arent married to them or immediate reletives.
June 29, 2010 8:06 pm at 8:06 pm #808976mischiefmakerMemberMR-I pity your nieces!
June 29, 2010 10:59 pm at 10:59 pm #808977emoticon613Memberwhy should you pity his neices? if they’re used to him not talking to him, then it’s not a problem! i WISH my cousins and uncles wouldn’t talk to me!
June 30, 2010 12:48 am at 12:48 am #808978oomisParticipant“The torah demands that men keep far away from women who arent married to them or immediate reletives.”
I don’t recall learning that, but you do that, Moshe. Your nieces will be just fine. The Torah says M’dvar sheker tirchak, but does it say to stay away from females and not talk to them? However, there are people who hold that.
June 30, 2010 3:49 am at 3:49 am #808979Yanky R.Memberoomis1105: Please check out Pirkei Avos for an example of how Chazal advise men to talk to close women relatives.
June 30, 2010 6:47 am at 6:47 am #808980sof davar hakol nishmaMemberYanky , i’m almost sure i remember the mishna correctly of “al tarbe sicha im haisha” see mefarshim on it. i’d rather not post it all.
Obviously all speach between fm and m (that aren’t married, or immediate blood relatives) should be kept to a minimal if they have to spk
July 7, 2010 7:08 pm at 7:08 pm #808981WolfishMusingsParticipantThis weekend we played Wealth of Nations again (I lost to Walter again), Scrabble (I wiped the floor with the kids on that one) and Caylus (which I would have won had I not miscalculated on how another player would move the provost).
I also got to play Scrabble with Eeees (we love to play that game together) and Trivial Pursuit.
Oh, and we got to play Management Material.
The Wolf
July 8, 2010 12:27 am at 12:27 am #808982oomisParticipantTrivial Pursuit, original genus – best game, ever! I also like Tri-Bond and Blurt.
July 8, 2010 12:35 am at 12:35 am #808983mosheroseMember“I also got to play Scrabble with Eeees (we love to play that game together) and Trivial Pursuit.”
Al Tarbeh Sicha doesnt just mean talking. It means spending too much time. Remember Ezra made takanos so that men shouldnt always be by theyre wifes.
July 8, 2010 3:57 am at 3:57 am #808984oomisParticipantMosherose, when men don’t spend enough time with their wives, their wives feel neglected and that leads to shalom bayis issues. Al tarbeh sicha does NOT refer to one’s own wife, but with other women.
July 8, 2010 4:05 am at 4:05 am #808985missmeMember“Al tarbeh sicha does NOT refer to one’s own wife, but with other women.”
HUH???
Al Tarbeh Sicha Im Ishah Beishtechu Omri, Kal Vachomer be’eshes chaveroi.
July 8, 2010 4:09 am at 4:09 am #808986oomisParticipantOk, I stand corrected – on this. But, please elaborate – is this halacha or just one of many opinions expressed by different rabbonim.
July 8, 2010 4:37 pm at 4:37 pm #808988WolfishMusingsParticipantMoshe,
I’ll tell you what.
You spend your time with your wife the way you want to. And I’ll spend my time with my wife the way I want to. And if that means talking with her, or playing games with her or taking a walk around the block or whatever else it entails to enhance our relationship, I’ll do it.
It’s not your place to determine how much I should talk with my wife or whether or not we should play games together.
The Wolf
July 8, 2010 5:48 pm at 5:48 pm #808989smartcookieMemberWolf- why in the world are you bothering to answer and excuse yourself to his nonsense?
We all know what a normal marriage requires.
July 8, 2010 5:55 pm at 5:55 pm #808990SJSinNYCMemberWolf, remember that MR is a young guy in his 20s who frummed out and is not married. Not a good dose for common sense.
July 8, 2010 6:01 pm at 6:01 pm #808991gavra_at_workParticipantSJS: I thought we agreed he is a member of JTS?
July 16, 2010 8:28 pm at 8:28 pm #808992WolfishMusingsParticipantI haven’t had a chance to play a game with the kids the past two Shabbossim. Hopefully this week it’ll work out.
(For those of you who think I’m committing some horrible sin by playing games with my kids/nieces/nephews/wife — don’t bother correcting me — I’m not listening.)
The Wolf
July 17, 2010 1:10 am at 1:10 am #808993sof davar hakol nishmaMemberi have a feeling mosherose is not married, otherwise he would’nt say what hes saying.
July 17, 2010 7:29 pm at 7:29 pm #808994KmelionMemberMy daughters and I enjoy playing Settler and Seafarers of Catan and we all enjoy playing Puerto Rico. Card games we love are Phase 10, 5 Crowns and Fluxx. We’ve played Management Material when a friend comes over who brings it. I also enjoy Graverobbers from Outerspace and all the various accompanying decks for it.
Another game I’ve played is Carcassone, which is another G-S game.
July 19, 2010 3:36 pm at 3:36 pm #808996shmueltMemberThere is a new game coming out that will be a blast on Shabbos called “Sounds Like A Plan” where you give advice from cards. I am currently testing it for a company. “Headbanz” is a great family game
July 19, 2010 7:04 pm at 7:04 pm #808997WolfishMusingsParticipantI could never get into Carcassone. I don’t know nwhy.
The Wolf
July 26, 2010 6:08 pm at 6:08 pm #808998WolfishMusingsParticipantGot to play Wealth of Nations again this past Shabbos with my son and brother-in-law. While we didn’t get to finish the game (I had to leave for Mincha), at least this time I finally felt like I was in a truly competative position. In far too many games of WoN, Walter not only beat me but positively shmeared me while doing it.
The Wolf
July 28, 2010 11:55 pm at 11:55 pm #809000mosheroseMember“(For those of you who think I’m committing some horrible sin by playing games with my kids/nieces/nephews/wife — don’t bother correcting me — I’m not listening.)”
What you mean is Im going to do an aveira and I dont care what you think. In the times of the gemara we used to put people like that in a kippah.
July 29, 2010 2:16 am at 2:16 am #809001yechezkel89Membermosherose go learn some halacha, haskafa and just about everything else related to Judaism before you make silly comments.
July 29, 2010 2:33 am at 2:33 am #809002Sister BearMemberNot sure if these are really strategic but they do require brains.
Skip-Bo – but I like Phase 10 better.
Mahjong – it’s really expensive (used is around $100) but a lot of fun.
Rummikub
Malarky – is a great one for laughs. Not really Strategic and doesn’t have a board but you do need your brain to make up lies. (Which isn’t assur since everyone will know your lying right away. Which I learned is fine.)
August 9, 2010 9:18 pm at 9:18 pm #809003WolfishMusingsParticipantVery odd experience, the week before last:
Almost every time I play Wealth of Nations with my older son, I lose. He simply outmaneuvers me at every turn of the game. The strategy complexity level for WoN is rather high.
The Shabbos before last, I played Pente with him. Pente is a very simple abstract game with not a great deal of strategy. The game can be very easily explained in three minutes.
Not only did I beat him at Pente, but I beat him 20 times in a row. He failed to win a single game.
Odd how he can dominate at games with complex strategies but so utterly fail at simple ones.
The Wolf
August 9, 2010 9:41 pm at 9:41 pm #809004oomisParticipantright side/left side brain use.
August 9, 2010 9:42 pm at 9:42 pm #809005apushatayidParticipantMy kids absolutely love playing “Settlers”. I just cant stand it.
January 18, 2011 1:19 am at 1:19 am #809007Boro Park GirlMemberOn these long friday nights, me and my sibs play board games after the meal.
“Perpetual Commotion” Rox!!!!!- though not mind challenging
or we like “Blurt” and “Malarky”- both take quick thinking
January 18, 2011 2:10 am at 2:10 am #809008Pashuteh YidMemberFirst, One gadol was quoted as saying that Al tarbeh does not apply these days to husbands and wives. They need to do whatever will bring shalom bayis.
Second, Even gedolim used to play chess.
January 18, 2011 6:07 am at 6:07 am #809009Bed-StuyParticipant“Second, Even gedolim used to play chess.”
On Nittel Nacht.
January 18, 2011 3:54 pm at 3:54 pm #809010WolfishMusingsParticipantFirst, One gadol was quoted as saying that Al tarbeh does not apply these days to husbands and wives. They need to do whatever will bring shalom bayis.
Heh. I’ve been saying for ages that it does not apply (at least not on it’s very literal meaning) for quite a while… and every time I say that, someone tries to jump down my throat (again, not on a literal level). 🙂
The Wolf
January 18, 2011 7:34 pm at 7:34 pm #809011Pashuteh YidMemberBed-Stuy, I believe some cite a medrash that Shlomo Hamelech invented chess. Now, he predated Xmas by quite a few years.
January 18, 2011 8:09 pm at 8:09 pm #809012Bed-StuyParticipantPashuteh:
Please provide the citation for said Medrash.
January 19, 2011 9:03 am at 9:03 am #809013hanibParticipanti like 221 B Baker Street and playing Who’s It? with my children.
September 13, 2011 3:43 am at 3:43 am #809014gr82bagrandmaMemberMy favorite games are Scrabble and the old Trivial Pursuit.
September 13, 2011 4:04 am at 4:04 am #809015brotherofursParticipanti just got this sik game called SPOT-It :). its soo much fun!! buy it! i played with my family a lot and even got my father and his friend [a family friend staying by our house]to join the game!:D
September 13, 2011 4:05 am at 4:05 am #809016TheGoqParticipantbackgammon
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