Bnos Sara vs. Bnos Chava

It’s not so hard.

In both, the learning is pretty much what you’d expect. A lot of chumash, navi, halacha, mussar.

The main difference is that bnos sarah is newer so it attracts that crowd.

The girls who go to both are more or less the same, although, the same girl almost never goes to both.

Also, Bnos sarah is closer to the dining room, since it’s in building 7. But bnos chava is closer to the payis building, so that’s something to consider.

I’d say, it sounds like you want Bnos sara, go for it.

Also, do you know hebrew?

I don’t know anything about Bnos Sara but I have only heard excellent things about Bnos Chava. From caliber of students to learning to middos.

I’m also looking into B.C. and i just wanted ot let you know that it isn’t the same as it used to be because mesores rachel took alot of their type of girls! Also last year B.C. had alot of mesilos type girls because mesilos closed down and B.C. had a gap tp fill because they had less girls than usual so they filled it woth them so to speak!

does the oiylam have any ideas for seminary for me. i am yeshivish, i have good grades i love to learn, i am not an aidel maidel.. i have a personality. i am in a bais yaackov now and would love to go to a very yeshivish place i would love a place like b.j.j. without the strong academics and stress.

MonseyGirl –

Could you please explain what you mean by Yeshivish, yet “not aidel”?

I know what yeshivish is, and I sure know what not aidel is, but how can the two co-exist?

I’ve heard of “yeshivish, but with it” (not sure what “it” is, though), but I can sort of picture who that person might be (Sac comes to mind; Blinky is another perhaps, but with less moxie than Sac).

But who would want the title “not aidel”?

in the ultra yeshivish (where they assume every girl is eidel ) eidel has a naive connotation.

Hadarling –

Thats a good one! I guess its a girl who went to Hadar (I know its a sem, but not sure what brand it is)

But I know just the person to ask. One of our neighbors just went trhu the seminary experience. She may have gone to BC, but I vaugely remember hearing the name Hadar over the summer.

Hadarling – That’s too funny!

when i say i”m not aidel i”m not like quiet and sweet, i have a personalty and i have many friends of all differant types but my hashkafos, goals and lifestyle is “yeshivish”

BP totty, Chas vshalom i am definitly not impling that at all. my dress and apearance on the outside is quite as yeshivish as my insides. i come from a frum family but i am definitly more yeshivish than them, but because i grew up like that i am more open than others who are on my speed haskaficlly. i was definitly not implying the type u were imaging with the flipflops and such

bnos sarah: definitely more to the right than bc, but not as academic. more of a mix of girls at bc.

monsey girl: yeshivish, but not super academic? tiferes is very yeshivish (there are 5 girls from bais rochel this year). most of the parent body are roshei yeshivos, rebbeim, etc… while that is not necesary or even impot=rtant to the girls, it IS an indication of the yeshivishness of the place. (there are several girls from non-klei-kodesh houses, but the girls themselves are yeshivish. hadar has been losing girls to tiferes and masores rochel (VERY academic, mix of girls, think bjj) so there will be a mix of girls there (as they needed to fill in the past couple of years)

what school are you in? where are your classmates going?

smile e..you sound like you want a really academic place try masores rochel, rebitzen tarshish is amazing with very in depth classes and learning style. i dont think machon raaya is for more i want a more narrow minded place and although it sounds funny i”m not looking for a place with girls “out of the box” i want strictly a bais yakov. some people have mentioned to me tiferes and it really soundds intersting but its new so i dont know many people who went their but it really sounds my speed.

Bnos Sara – Is very frum girls usually from Yeshivish families, to make a blanket statement about every girl is foolish, every school has a mix. They learn ALOT and cover ALOT of ground. It IS academic.

Bnos Chava – has a much bigger mix. Its a different type of academic, the girls are *usually* intellectual (no hard or fast rule here). Not all girls are Yeshivish per se, but sincere and Frum, a lot of Flatbushers.

monseygirl: it also sounds a little like you want to find a place that will be just like you. but from your decription, i dont know if thats possible: you want a super yeshivish derech, but you are also open minded, but you want a narrow minded school, yet you want to be able to be you and display your personality. not to imply that good, frum, yeshivish girls dont have personality c”v, but i don’t know of a school that is known to have a very yeshivish crowd and also endorses spunk, spirit and personality,IN ADDITION to having an intellectually stimulating program, without all the pressure. hmmm…lots of qualifications that you’ve got (which is good in a way, b/c it shows you know what you need/want) but to me, in my very own opinion, it sounds like you want something that may not be there and you may need to pick and choose from your list of criteria.

i would recommend doing research: call people in your area that have been in the schools you are interested in and get FIRST HAND INFORMATION. the cr may be good for general opinions, but you should definitely make your own calls.

bygirl

Pardon me being a little unsympathetic here for a second. What would happen if every last girl in the Seminary isnt your type? I went to Yavne NO ONE was my type, I went with NO friends, and now I have a great bunch of friends from there. We dont agree on everything, but I can definitely say they enrich my life. Take a leap of faith, everything doesnt have to be worked out to the last detail.

sacrilege-wats yavne like?

Smile

Learning 24/7 (text based). Rarely get a Hashkafa class.

Its in Cleveland so there are no Tiyulim either. Its rare that there is an extra curricular activity…. oh wait there were, AFTER school.

Unfortunately from what I hear Yavne is on the decline.

Most girls do not want the program they offer, and they are unwilling to change.

I never post on anything, but I remember how hard it was to find out about seminary, so I’m glad to offer my help. From a bnos sara point of view, I would say that bnos chava is more of a sophisticated intellectual- and growing- type, while bnos sara is more simple, and smart with a desire to grow and learn. Doesn’t mean nerds, just confident with who they are.

Classes, from what hear about BC, seem to be pretty similar, same with open mindedness. Bnos sara girls, possibly take school rules, etc, a bit more seriously (though such things change from yr to yr). Basically, I was no where near a jap when I came into bnos sara, but I learned to be much simpler and care less about styles etc.

1 more point, bnos sara is smaller. Many girls would go away for shabbos with anyone, even not from their close group of friends. So if you think you would gain from the closeness and warmth, it’s definitely a nice plus.

Rabbi Geisler from Bnos Chava is one of the BEST educators and people there are today. I would give anything to go back to his classes. But I am the type that actually gets close to and forms a relationship with teachers but I don’t think most girls are like that. I also had Mrs. (ok I am totally blanking on her name- she is the principal and founder of Bnos sara- it will come to me) and she is very warm and sincere. I also liked her classes and approach. Also, there are well over 100 girls in BC and much less in BS- so if you care about that…Also, BS does try to take more chinuch families that have less money, whereas BC (which obviously has a HUGE mix) has girls that come from money and so obviously the competition for gashmiyus plays more of a roll there…. BNOS SARA IS NOT CLOSER TO THE DINING ROOM- BNOS CHAVA IS!! Because buildings 5 and 6 (BC) are technically about 2 inches closer to the DR. (I was in building seven for a year, so I know poppa bar abba, where you getting your info from???

sorry for interrupting the flow but i just noticed this thread and i have a Q from a few days ago . what does yeshivish mean in referance to a girl , that she uses yiddish ? has brisker payos?

smile e. face-u are so wrong about hadar!! as someone who recently graduated from hadar i can tell u that hadar has changed recently and is not “very very yeshivshe” like u say! its a nice mix of girls ranging from yeshivshe to regular and to withit!

it dosent mean anything. i was just trying to explain it to u. maybe i used the wrong wording-im sorry. but my pont is that hadar is not as yeshivshe as u say it is and has changed recently and is very different then what most people tend to think of it.

WIY

i just think that when u say hadar ppl atomatically think yeshivshe and im sure now they also do but what im saying is that as someone who has just been there i know firsthand and its not like that anymore.face facts-times are changing!!! and when i tell ppl i went to hadar they give me a look and i get so frusterated cuz im not yeshivshe or a “hadarling”!!

Im a big Bnos Chava fan-i had the best year!! but groups of girls change and they dont have mrs tarshish anymore so cant say so much how it is now.. But one thing i noticed about Bnos Chava compared to other sems is the schedule.. they have school in the morning and at night and most afternoons you are free. Once a week you have class and once a week you need to go to Chessed family but otherwise you have time to enjoy yourtime in eretz yisrael, visit siblngs. do homework, catch up on sleep. my friends in other sems had school from 8-4 like high school and went back to the dorm to do homework.. BC girls are able to get around (not sure if parents like that) but i thought was great… if u have any specific questions on BC i went few years ago..