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Is there a difference in a boy who wears blue shirts vs. white shirts?
As a broad generalization- yes.
However, there are much better ways to know much more.
For example, what yeshiva he is in.
And within yeshivos, the shirt often makes little difference.
(of course, if he’s wearing colored in Lakewood…)
Yes, the color off the shirt he is wearing.
It’s funny you should ask….years ago when I was more idealistic,a shidduchim was redt to me and after inquiring,I found out that this boy wore a blue shirt under his suit on shabbos. So I rejected the idea. But you see,fate works in funny ways,because then I got the same exact suggestion from someone else,a real chashuv man. When I told him I already checked and this guy was not for me,he said that I should go out and try it because this person is very ehrlich and a good catch. I really was not so into this whole idea….but it’s good I listened,because he is my husband and although he wears a colored shirt,he is a very decent,upstanding,frummer then many “white shirts” and lots of other nice things that I don’t need to publicize!
So,no,colored shirts shouldn’t matter.
But I know that unfortunately,some do judge by the clothes a person wears.
estherhamalka: How many boys where their shirts over their suits on Shabbos, or on any other day of the week?
definately makes a difference but wouldnt judge a person by it.
I actually think clothing is one of the best things to classify people by, since it is totally the person’s choice, and people associate with groups through clothing.
You just need to be careful that it is actually something that is only associated with that group.
Especially if there are other classifications readily available.
popa: you also need to be careful that it isn’t someone who is choosing to wear clothing that will prevent people from classifying him accurately because he’s uncomfortable with the idea.
Its not a siman, rather its a sibah. In other words, there is nothing wrong with wearing a blue shirt. However if one wears a blue shirt it classifies that you are not a white shirt guy.
popa
I agree but it goes both ways. I have learned (from experience) that there are those who ‘bshita’ only wear white shirts yet, the things they do would make those that wear colored shirts cringe.
You need focus more on the man than his wardrobe.
Sac:
Sure, but don’t you completely agree with my assessment that yeshivos are a much better way to classify?
Does anyone know why Chofetz Chaim boys generally wear colored shirts as opposed to white shirts?
DISCLAIMER- I am not knocking anyone for doing this or not doing this, I am just curious!
Chofetz Chaim boys wear colored shirts b/c that’s what they used to wear in Slabodka. Chofetz Chaim never changed, everyone else did.
Sac-bravo! Well said!
popa
Um, not so much…
happiest
I would guess it has to do something with their Yeshivos being in hick towns.
double standard: while this is true, it begs the next question: why did everyone else change?
They wore colored button-up shirts in Shabodka?
what does it mean – does it make a difference? can they both have excellent and/or bad middos? yes. does it tell us something about who they are, hashkafically – yes, if take into account what city they’re from, what yeshiva, etc. it does give us some added info. about the person.
does that make a difference? depends who you are, if that makes a difference to you.
My friend is in a Mesivta in Monsey, and they are only allowed to wear solid blue & white shirts and no one looks at the boys differently who wear a blue shirt vs. a white shirt.
ItcheSrulik, what do you mean why did everyone else change? Most Yeshiva’s in Europe didn’t wear colored button-up shirts.
ItcheSrulik: 1) Begs the question means to avoid the question. 2) Everyone else changed because frumkeit took over the yeshiva velt. Why people think wearing a white shirt lends to frumkeit is beyond me.
His Royal Highness: Yes. And colored hats and light colored suits as well.
Chofetz Chaim guys don’t wear white shorts because the yeshiva believes that growth should be within– that chizonios takes away from true growth.
Other yeshivas believe that it is important to project a certain image so that the bachor’s behavior follows that image.
1) I know the technical definition of the term in logic (which is not avoiding the question) but given the way people spel here I figured a colloquialism would be fine.
2) I agree.
Chofetz Chaim guys don’t wear white shorts because the yeshiva believes that growth should be within– that chizonios takes away from true growth.
Most yeshivaleit don’t wear white shorts. (At least not that are visible.)
“Chofetz Chaim never changed, everyone else did.”
Chadash asur min ha torah.
Who changed? Changed from where and what to where and what?
Chadash asur min ha torah.
Somehow, I doubt the men in ??? wore trousers and shirts and jackets with lapels.
Daas Yochid- You know what he mnent to say
Yes, I was kidding. I won’t make a joke about mnent.
They wore colored button-up shirts in Shabodka?
Yes, look at the pictures.
What about in the other Yeshivos in Europe? (Brisk, Mir, Volozhin, the Chasidishe, etc.) Mostly white?
What about in the other Yeshivos in Europe? Mostly white?
No. Colored also.
The examples I mentioned?
Jolly – Its what the white shirt resembles, or what the colored doesn’t resemble.
Jolly Rancher:
The easiest answer is that the type of guys that these girls are looking for happen to be the guys who do in fact generally wear white shirts.
Jolly – Yes, but not because of the shirt – rather because he is a different kind of guy then a guy who wears only whitee.
Jolly- not necessarily.
Last time I checked, the mishna in Avos discussed this issue…..
AL TISTAKEIL B’KANKAN, ELAH B’MAH SH’YESH BOI” (Do not judge the jug, only by whats inside it)
L’havdil, they have a similar saying in English…..
“Never judge a book by its cover”
(Yes I know people are not books – so please dont reply in that vain!)
Is there a difference in a boy who wears blue shirts vs. white shirts?
Is there a difference in a boy who wears pants vs. shorts?
Is there a difference in a boy who wears shirts with sleeves vs. sleeveless shirts?
Don’t judge someone on his pants or shirt?
better to wear a blue shirt in the week. Enhances the Kovod for shabos when you wear white.
Anyone who wears a white shirt is trying to look like the yishmaelim.
better to wear a blue shirt in the week. Enhances the Kovod for shabos when you wear white.
Kovod Habriyos should indicate one should wear white during the week too.
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